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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:30 am

Nokra wrote:New Battles
1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP)
2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki)
3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi
4.) Whis vs. Vados
5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla
6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming)
7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP)
8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis, Vados, Marcarita and Cus
9.) FP Jiren vs. FP New Broly (lol)
10.) GOD Toppo vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
11.) Golden Freeza (TOP) vs. Ultimate Gohan (TOP)
12.) Rage Trunks (TOP) and Ultimate Gohan (TOP) vs. SSBKK Goku (TOP)
13.) FP SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK×20 Goku vs. SS2 Kefla
14.) FP Toppo (No GOD Form) vs. Ultimate Gohan, Golden Freeza and Android 17
15.) Krillin (TOP) vs. SSJ Goku (BofAndroid arc)
16.) SSB Kefla vs. SSB Gogeta (TOP)(No Time Limit)
17.) SS3 Gohan (Buu arc) vs. Piccolo ( TOP)
18.) Golden Oozaru Cumber vs. Whis
19.) Vegito Blue (TOP) vs. UI Beerus
20.) FP Champa vs. All of Team U6
21.) Hit (TOP) vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
22.) Rose Goku Black (Scythe) (TOP) vs. SSB Vegeta, SSB Goku, Golden Freeza and Android 17 (All prior to the first awakening of Ultra Instinct)
23.) Dabura vs. Broly (8th Movie)
24.) Janemba vs. Buuhan (Fighting in Hell)
25.) UI Goku vs. UI Vegeta
Tien easily
Goku wins
Chi-Chi one shots
Idk maybe a tie? not sure haven't seen either of them fight seriously.
Kefla mild difficulty
Broly
Vegeta
Freeza easily
Goku one no difficulty
Not sure but I lean towards Kefla
the Team wins.
Krillin wins with mid difficulty
Kefla. Potara is better
Piccolo with an extremely slight edge.
Pass
I'll take Vegetto
Champa wins if potara is allowed, otherwise he loses.
Vegeta easily
The team wins easily
Dabura
Buuhan
Tie

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:46 am

TobyS wrote:Mastered Blue Vegito vs Jiren (manga)
UI Omen Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
SSBE+ Blue Kaioken Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
SSBE OR Blue Kaioken Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
Blue Vegito vs Jiren (anime)

UI omen AND UI omen Vegeta vs Jiren (anime)

UI Omen Kefla vs Jiren (Anime and manga)

Omen Goku and Omen Vegeta and Hit and Kefla and the rest of U6 and 7 vs Jiren (anime)
Don't really care about the god awful manga but Vegetto I guess.
UI Omen is over 40 times stronger than Blue and Vegetto Blue was already at Beerus level. Jiren stands no chance at all.
SSBE is 20 times stronger than Blue and Vegetto was alreadt at Beerus level. Jiren stands no chance at all.
Same as above.
Jiren beats him with high difficulty.
Vegeta wins.
Kela one shots.
Jiren stands no chance.
Ssjcell wrote:Kibito vs 18
Kibitokai vs SPC
Kibito is weaker than Namek Freeza. He gets murdered.
Cell takes this with high difficulty.
Nokra wrote:1.) UI Goku Black (Scythe) vs. FP Jiren, GOD Toppo and Max Speed Dyspo (Deathmatch)
2.) Ultimate Gohan (TOP) vs. Rage Trunks (TOP) (No Hope Sword)
3.) SSBE Vegeta vs. SS3 Kefla (No time limit)
4.) SSB Vegito vs. SSB Gogeta (Both Post-TOP) (No time limit)
5.) Ranger 17 vs. Majin Android 21 (Cell absorbed)
6. Muten Roshi (TOP) vs. FP Garlic Jr.
7.) Tagoma (Ginyu) vs. SS2 Gohan (Buu arc)
8.) Majin Vegeta vs. Majin Goku
9.) Zen-Oh's Attendants vs. The Angels
10.) Zen-Oh vs. All of Dragonball (Except Tori-Bot)
11.) Tori-Bot vs The Dragonball Fandom
12.) Chi-chi vs. Yurin
13.) Zuno vs. Bulma (Battle of Brains)
14.) Zen-Oh vs. Dragon God Zalama
15.) Present Zamasu vs. Kibito Kai
16.) Omega Shenron vs. SSG Goku (BOG arc)
17.) SSJ Pan vs. SSJ Caulifla
18.) Super 17 vs. Super Baby Vegeta
19.) Mercenary Tao vs. Hit (Both are equal in power and can use time-skip)
20.) UI Beerus vs. UI Goku, FP Jiren and GOD Toppo
Dyspo is an ant here, he dies quickly. GoD Toppo and Jiren together can beat Black but if they get caught on his clones then they lose.
Trunks wins this after a very hard fight.
Kefla murders Vegeta.
I have no idea. We should wait for the movie.
17.
Roshi demolishes him and then seals him up with the Mafuba.
Gohan one shots.
Goku obviously since Vegeta needed the Majin boost just to catch up to him.
The Angels should be stronger.
Future Zeno erased the most OP character in all Dragon Ball. They solo everything.
Fandom.
Chi-Chi wins very easily.
Zuno knows everything. He wins.
Zeno erased Infinite Zamasu who was granted immortality by Zalama so he should win.
Zamasu finger flicks. He's stronger than anything on Z.
Goku.
Caulifla finger flciks.
Super 17.
Hit easily.
Beerus wins easily.
Noah wrote:New match:

- GoD Toppo, FP Jiren, Completed UI Goku vs. FP Beerus & FP Champa
Poor brothers. They get crushed.
Nokra wrote:New Battles
1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP)
2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki)
3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi
4.) Whis vs. Vados
5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla
6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming)
7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP)
8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis, Vados, Marcarita and Cus
9.) FP Jiren vs. FP New Broly (lol)
10.) GOD Toppo vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
11.) Golden Freeza (TOP) vs. Ultimate Gohan (TOP)
12.) Rage Trunks (TOP) and Ultimate Gohan (TOP) vs. SSBKK Goku (TOP)
13.) FP SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK×20 Goku vs. SS2 Kefla
14.) FP Toppo (No GOD Form) vs. Ultimate Gohan, Golden Freeza and Android 17
15.) Krillin (TOP) vs. SSJ Goku (BofAndroid arc)
16.) SSB Kefla vs. SSB Gogeta (TOP)(No Time Limit)
17.) SS3 Gohan (Buu arc) vs. Piccolo ( TOP)
18.) Golden Oozaru Cumber vs. Whis
19.) Vegito Blue (TOP) vs. UI Beerus
20.) FP Champa vs. All of Team U6
21.) Hit (TOP) vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
22.) Rose Goku Black (Scythe) (TOP) vs. SSB Vegeta, SSB Goku, Golden Freeza and Android 17 (All prior to the first awakening of Ultra Instinct)
23.) Dabura vs. Broly (8th Movie)
24.) Janemba vs. Buuhan (Fighting in Hell)
25.) UI Goku vs. UI Vegeta
We already got that match in E89. Roshi.
Videl.
lol what?
Vados.
SS Kefla os over 20 times stronger than Blue Goku. She murders Aniraza.
Broly.
Piccolo beats her just as easily as Gamisaras.
Whis is enough to beat them all.
How can we know this?
Vegeta if he gets his rage boost.
Freeza with mid difficulty.
Goku beats them easily with Kaioken.
By FP you mean the rage boost right? Vegeta can beat Kefla alone.
Freeza is enough to beat him. All 3 vs him is not fair.
Kuririn gets this with skill.
Kefla finger flicks.
Piccolo one shots.
Whis.
Beerus.
SS2 Kefla with Hit's time fuckery might manage something. Might...
Hit is over 20 times weaker than this Vegeta. He dies.
Goku Black kills them all with his clones.
Dabura since he can always turn him into stone.
Evil Boo wins.
Goku.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:37 am

ZombieVito wrote: Jiren beats him with high difficulty.
Vegeta said that a heavily suppressed Jiren had the greatest ki he'd ever sensed, and he obviously powers up ridiculously beyond that point. He should snap Vegetto's neck like a twig, honestly.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:51 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Nokra wrote:New Battles
1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP)
2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki)
3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi
4.) Whis vs. Vados
5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla
6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming)
7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP)
8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis, Vados, Marcarita and Cus
9.) FP Jiren vs. FP New Broly (lol)
10.) GOD Toppo vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
11.) Golden Freeza (TOP) vs. Ultimate Gohan (TOP)
12.) Rage Trunks (TOP) and Ultimate Gohan (TOP) vs. SSBKK Goku (TOP)
13.) FP SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK×20 Goku vs. SS2 Kefla
14.) FP Toppo (No GOD Form) vs. Ultimate Gohan, Golden Freeza and Android 17
15.) Krillin (TOP) vs. SSJ Goku (BofAndroid arc)
16.) SSB Kefla vs. SSB Gogeta (TOP)(No Time Limit)
17.) SS3 Gohan (Buu arc) vs. Piccolo ( TOP)
18.) Golden Oozaru Cumber vs. Whis
19.) Vegito Blue (TOP) vs. UI Beerus
20.) FP Champa vs. All of Team U6
21.) Hit (TOP) vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
22.) Rose Goku Black (Scythe) (TOP) vs. SSB Vegeta, SSB Goku, Golden Freeza and Android 17 (All prior to the first awakening of Ultra Instinct)
23.) Dabura vs. Broly (8th Movie)
24.) Janemba vs. Buuhan (Fighting in Hell)
25.) UI Goku vs. UI Vegeta
1)muten
2) Goku cause of durability and raw power
3)i can go with chichi for this
4) I'm going with vados
5) mh, i'd say kefla but i'm in doubt
6)movies has a scaling different from the main series and broly is kid buu tier going by feats, so broly
7) piccolo cause he's low god tier and c18 high base saiyan tier
8) the angels stomps
9)broly obv
10) if it's a deathmatch . toppo would stomp
11)golden freezer is stronger/on par with a ssb, meanwhile gohan has demonstrated to be a bit inferior of one, so freezer wins high diff
12)trunks and gohan together if goku has only the vanilla kaioken
13)kefla was on par with Goku ui1. so cosidering the zenkai Goku and vegeta took after beating aniraza, they are ui1 tier and could win if kefla doesnt go effscale
14)u7 squad wins
15)i'll go with crillin, he has demonstrated to not be a lot inferior to his wife in the top arc
16)kefla fucking stomps maybe even angels if ssb, so she wins
17)piccolo top fucking stomps no diff cause he's low god tier
18)whis
19)i can go with vegetto
20) champa no diff
21)hit via killing tecniques such as time kage
22)what do you mean by black Goku top?anyway, u7 team stomps
23)broly via movies scaling
24)janemba via movie scaling
25)goku
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:59 pm

the pl list you posted with the link on the end of the message i replied literally sucks lol, it has no sense at all
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:03 pm

I have been seeing Broly defeating Jiren posts in the verses forum. I know it’s a trope in DB for every antagonist to be stronger than the last foe. However we don’t know how strong Broly is of now. To be honest, until we see him beating the snot out of MUI Goku or Blue Gogeta. Don’t throw Jiren out of contention, yet. However I can be wrong by the time movie comes out. And Broly kicks the stuffing out of MUI Goku. But until then, I think Jiren is a beast that shouldn’t be underestimated. Lol. Just wanted to say this, that’s all.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:35 pm

Why do so many people think GoD Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta in the ToP? There was no evidence that he was, and Hakai is overrated by the fandom. It can't literally erase anything (No Limits Fallacy), only targets weaker that its user. It was never intended to be an unbeatable attack.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:12 pm

zarmack wrote:Why do so many people think GoD Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta in the ToP? There was no evidence that he was, and Hakai is overrated by the fandom. It can't literally erase anything (No Limits Fallacy), only targets weaker that its user. It was never intended to be an unbeatable attack.
When was it stated that Hakai can't destroy a weaker being?

Who is saying GoD Toppo was holding back?

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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Nobody answered my question.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:15 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
zarmack wrote:Why do so many people think GoD Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta in the ToP? There was no evidence that he was, and Hakai is overrated by the fandom. It can't literally erase anything (No Limits Fallacy), only targets weaker that its user. It was never intended to be an unbeatable attack.
When was it stated that Hakai can't destroy a weaker being?

Who is saying GoD Toppo was holding back?
a lot of people make the assumption that Toppo was holding back because 1) He's a GoD, so they think he must be on par with Beerus and 2) they think Hakai can literally erase everything regardless of power level.

Both are dumb views.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ssj3kakarot » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:18 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
zarmack wrote:Why do so many people think GoD Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta in the ToP? There was no evidence that he was, and Hakai is overrated by the fandom. It can't literally erase anything (No Limits Fallacy), only targets weaker that its user. It was never intended to be an unbeatable attack.
When was it stated that Hakai can't destroy a weaker being?

Who is saying GoD Toppo was holding back?
Actually, there is much evidence that supports Toppo was holding back. At least in the sense of his Hakai power. Belmoud says " Destroy all of his attacks. Who cares as don't kill him! Do it".

Use enough power but don't kill him.

Freeza vs the hakai energy is another supporting point that Gods of Destruction can use more or less Hakai energy (if thats what we are calling it these days). I prefer purple energy of death, PEDs for short.

Yes, Vegeta overpowers the balls, and I believe Toppo wasn't expecting that. I do believe that Toppo was at the limits of his overall power level, and wasn't able to increase his general punching power and speed. But he was nerfing his how hakai balls. He would literally have had to kill Vegeta to have beat him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:24 pm

ssj3kakarot wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:
zarmack wrote:Why do so many people think GoD Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta in the ToP? There was no evidence that he was, and Hakai is overrated by the fandom. It can't literally erase anything (No Limits Fallacy), only targets weaker that its user. It was never intended to be an unbeatable attack.
When was it stated that Hakai can't destroy a weaker being?

Who is saying GoD Toppo was holding back?
Actually, there is much evidence that supports Toppo was holding back. At least in the sense of his Hakai power. Belmoud says " Destroy all of his attacks. Who cares as don't kill him! Do it".

Use enough power but don't kill him.

Freeza vs the hakai energy is another supporting point that Gods of Destruction can use more or less Hakai energy (if thats what we are calling it these days). I prefer purple energy of death, PEDs for short.

Yes, Vegeta overpowers the balls, and I believe Toppo wasn't expecting that. I do believe that Toppo was at the limits of his overall power level, and wasn't able to increase his general punching power and speed. But he was nerfing his how hakai balls. He would literally have had to kill Vegeta to have beat him.
That's pure headcanon. Hakai is only as strong as the person who's using it. GoD Toppo is weaker than SSBE Vegeta, that's why his Hakai couldn't even hurt Vegeta like he did to Golden Freeza, who tanked Sidra's Hakai like nothing (the same Hakai he created to kill Goku).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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zarmack wrote:
ssj3kakarot wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: When was it stated that Hakai can't destroy a weaker being?

Who is saying GoD Toppo was holding back?
Actually, there is much evidence that supports Toppo was holding back. At least in the sense of his Hakai power. Belmoud says " Destroy all of his attacks. Who cares as don't kill him! Do it".

Use enough power but don't kill him.

Freeza vs the hakai energy is another supporting point that Gods of Destruction can use more or less Hakai energy (if thats what we are calling it these days). I prefer purple energy of death, PEDs for short.

Yes, Vegeta overpowers the balls, and I believe Toppo wasn't expecting that. I do believe that Toppo was at the limits of his overall power level, and wasn't able to increase his general punching power and speed. But he was nerfing his how hakai balls. He would literally have had to kill Vegeta to have beat him.
That's pure headcanon. Hakai is only as strong as the person who's using it. GoD Toppo is weaker than SSBE Vegeta, that's why his Hakai couldn't even hurt Vegeta like he did to Golden Freeza, who tanked Sidra's Hakai like nothing (the same Hakai he created to kill Goku).
That is the onlything pure headcannon. Never stated in the series.

That as well as some obvious clues given to the audience( us as the viewers) in the form of characters telling Toppo to not destroy Vegeta, heavily implying the fact that Toppo could have "Hakaid" him if there were no killing rules implemented. It doesn't detract from Vegeta's win, so I'm not sure why it's such a big deal. It's no different from Goku and Hit in the 1st tournament. Goku only lasted as long as he did because Hit was massively restricted by rules. This is no different.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:52 pm

ssj3kakarot wrote:
zarmack wrote:
ssj3kakarot wrote:
Actually, there is much evidence that supports Toppo was holding back. At least in the sense of his Hakai power. Belmoud says " Destroy all of his attacks. Who cares as don't kill him! Do it".

Use enough power but don't kill him.

Freeza vs the hakai energy is another supporting point that Gods of Destruction can use more or less Hakai energy (if thats what we are calling it these days). I prefer purple energy of death, PEDs for short.

Yes, Vegeta overpowers the balls, and I believe Toppo wasn't expecting that. I do believe that Toppo was at the limits of his overall power level, and wasn't able to increase his general punching power and speed. But he was nerfing his how hakai balls. He would literally have had to kill Vegeta to have beat him.
That's pure headcanon. Hakai is only as strong as the person who's using it. GoD Toppo is weaker than SSBE Vegeta, that's why his Hakai couldn't even hurt Vegeta like he did to Golden Freeza, who tanked Sidra's Hakai like nothing (the same Hakai he created to kill Goku).
That is the onlything pure headcannon. Never stated in the series.

That as well as some obvious clues given to the audience( us as the viewers) in the form of characters telling Toppo to not destroy Vegeta, heavily implying the fact that Toppo could have "Hakaid" him if there were no killing rules implemented. It doesn't detract from Vegeta's win, so I'm not sure why it's such a big deal. It's no different from Goku and Hit in the 1st tournament. Goku only lasted as long as he did because Hit was massively restricted by rules. This is no different.
Toppo and the others were completely shocked when Vegeta punched through Toppo's Hakai, meaning Toppo went all out with the attack. Like many other fans, you are overrating the Hakai technique when it is obviously only as strong as its user. Sidra's Hakai was designed to kill SSB Goku, yet Golden Freeza shrugged it off like it was nothing. There is simply no evidence that Toppo's Hakai could have killed Vegeta.

And your comparison with Hit vs Goku is a false analogy. Even without the killing techniques, Goku said that he never stood a chance against Hit because of his Pure Progress ability and that Goku's Blue Kaioken was destroying his own body.

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Post by Ssjcell » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:21 pm

Fat gogeta vs farmer boz

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Post by Kaiza_Toshiyuki » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:31 pm

Ssjcell wrote:Fat gogeta vs farmer boz
Farmer one-shots lol

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Post by A21Fan » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:49 am

How far do you think would Android 21 (Cell absorbed) get in the ToP?

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Post by Nokra » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:31 pm

A21Fan wrote:How far do you think would Android 21 (Cell absorbed) get in the ToP?
Assuming she is fighting with U7, She'd probably make it to Anilaza and get knocked off by one of his warp punches.

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Post by zarmack » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:20 pm

A21Fan wrote:How far do you think would Android 21 (Cell absorbed) get in the ToP?
She stops at Aniraza (anime version), but she should be stronger than any character weaker than him.

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:01 pm

Super Saiyan 3 Son Gohan (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Majin Vegeta (Majin Buu Saga).

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