ahill1 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:58 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:Manga Hit (Champa arc) vs manga Golden Freeza (ROF arc)
We haven't seen Golden Freeza fighting in the Rebirth of F chapters, but assuming it went down similarly to the movie, in which he outclassed Blue Goku outside of stamina, he'd get this as the Blue state was enough to break out from Hit's time skip. Granted that Goku and Vegeta trained in the Room befor the U6 Tournament, but with the lack of a comment on how much they have progressed and Vegeta (iirc) stating they were about his limits so the gains wouldn't be that high, I assume it wouldn't make that much of a difference in regards to the result of this battle.
Goku's full power
Blue state could break Hit's time skip; that is, the brief pulse of power that eventually gets turned into continuous output in the Zamasu arc. This should be higher than what he used continuously against Freeza. How Hit would stack up to Blue's regular imperfect output isn't revealed, though he shouldn't be far off from its peak power ("CSSB") either considering that Goku kicked him in the chest without injuring him.
I think it's an interesting match because they're roughly around the same level of power (with Freeza probably being stronger), neither are experienced hand to hand combatants, and both have pretty debilitating stamina problems (Freeza is obvious, but Hit also noted that his body couldn't sustain his full power for than a minute), but Hit also brings his time-skip to the table. Is Freeza far enough above Hit to break through his time skip, that should be the main question. If he is, then he can probably beat Hit, as Hit's just as stamina-deficient as he is. But then, Hit also has those kill techniques we never saw.
It depends on how you take Freeza and Goku's off screen battle in hell. Since Goku wanted to convince Freeza, I think he used his strongest state (the PSSJB) and both seemed equally injured. Hit seemed to display a similar performance to PSSJB Goku when attacking Jiren and neither were outlasting the other when they attacked in conjuction, so I'd say Hit also belongs to the same tier. In a fight, I think Hit would emerge victorious with his time lap, as that forced Jiren to show more of his powers.
I think Hit and Freeza should both be around CSSB level at this point, as Hit wasn't that far off to begin with and Goku was marveling at Hit's new strength. Though, as Hit notes, he doesn't have the stamina problem anymore, while Freeza still does, just to a lesser extent than before (he mentions having to turn off Golden to recover energy after Kale beats him up).
I do agree that Hit's time manipulation would hand him an easy win, as Jiren needed to uncork more power to brute-force through it despite starting at a level that could casually tool Hit and Goku at the same time; this basically means Freeza is frozen and Hit has free rein to punch him in the face until he falls over.