TobyS wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:40 am
So how strong do you think the merged Namek from the moro arc is, Piccolo, altho he's not on his own does better against a stronger Moro I feel, so he's lower then him but we have no other feats or frame of reference.
Lets say he runs a z-super gauntlet, how far does he get.
I could see him beating classic Freeza, as he's a countermeasure put in place after the Freeza events thematically makes sense.
This makes him also stronger then BoG base Goku and the humans pre moro arc training at least.
But I'm not sure where he stops, classic 18? First form Cell?
It's actually said merging Namekians has been a defense measure on Namek from "throughout the ages", not specifically because of Freeza. It's hard to tell how strong that Merged Namekian is since we don't how many were fused exactly (Just that there were "several dozen") or even how we don't know how Namekian fusion works.
Assuming Piccolo was about as strong as Nail and basing off how Nail alone is stronger than a dozen Namekians, I think the Merged Namekian is still weaker than Full Power Freeza, but is still a solid percentage of Freeza's final form.
dragonball0900 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:27 pm
He should have definitely far surpassed a Cell Jr. at least by the U6 saga I believe. He could have even reached Cell's level in the ToP. Since Goku did say he was barely recognizable, I doubt he would give those compliments to someone as weak as Cell, specially coming from a being that is already far far above that. But, yeah, it depends where manga 17's power stands. I said he was Current SSG tier in my previous post because some people believe he is SSJ3 tier, but others say he is SSG/SSB tier, even in the manga. No matter where he stands though, Piccolo should be much stronger than him, since even with infinite energy and such, 17 couldn't outlast him, and both androids have to stand back and watch as Piccolo and Gohan kept on fighting.
As for the anime, yeah, I also wonder that. Specially since the anime seemed to downplay him far more than in the manga in terms of strength and relevance (he had less screen time than even Roshi of all people). The manga did give him some decent moments power wise like beating fodder all around alongside Gohan and 17, while the anime just kept pairing him alongside Gohan and barely performing any feats with the exception of the Special Beam Canon, to the point that they wrongly make him equal or even far weaker than a Base Saiyan at points. Heck even Roshi and 18 received far better showings than poor Piccolo, with 18 outlasting him as well. So it depends how the anime can handle the current power Piccolo showed right now in the Moro Saga. Like, for example, the anime had Piccolo no longer being able to keep up with the fight or doing team cooperation with Ultimate Gohan against the U6 Namekians after they powered up, while currently in the manga he manages to hold his own and fight alongside Ultimate Gohan just fine against Saganbo, despite ultimately losing, which shows a great difference in Piccolo's level to the point that it looks like they are two different characters. So I really have to wonder how the anime is going to handle this change.
Of course Goku wouldn't give a compliment like that to Cell. Cell never trained or had any kind of power up that made his Ki signature change. "I couldn't even recognize you" or whatever Goku said is comparing Piccolo's Ki then to what it is now. The only measure stick here is Piccolo's old Ki.
I think current Piccolo is definitely god tier now given his feats against Saganbo, but I'm not sure how he compares to #17 (Who has likely also powered up since the ToP) or Gohan, though he's probably weaker than the later still.
In Brightest Day wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:45 am
A few fights here:
- Krillin (Android arc) vs. Son Goku (base, no Kaioken - against Freeza on Namek)
- Tenshinhan (Android arc) vs. Freeza (3rd form, Namek)
- Yamcha (Android arc) vs. Piccolo (post-Nail fusion)
- Oob (beginning of GT) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan (Buu arc)
- Olibu vs. Vegeta (base, Cell-Games)
- Chaozu (Android arc) vs. Freeza (1st form, Namek)
All of the humans lose their fights pretty badly. I find it very unlikely any of them ever reached 1st form Freeza's level of power.
Oob probably has already learned to control Pure Boo's power by the start of GT at the very least. Given how the anime emphasises that Pure Boo is the strongest Majin Boo, he should make short work out of Gohan.
I think Olibu wins here. Even with the Paikuhan > Cell filler I'm not sure if Olibu is also meant to be that strong since fighting a bad guy =/= tournament fighting (Paikuhan didn't even use that fire technique on him), but he's probably far better than a Base Saiyan.