GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 11:33 am
Android 19 vs Android 20. Both after are post absorptions. Who wins?
Android 20 is definitely stronger. Vegeta made the assertion that Android 19's movements were not very impressive. In contrast, Vegeta was actually shocked by Android 20's speed.
Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by
watching your faint movements up to now…That
you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”
Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P12.3
Context: after No.20 flees
Vegeta: “Damn it all!
He’s quicker than I thought…! ”
Looking at the first statement, Vegeta makes the assertion that both Androids aren't up to snuff based on watching "your" i.e Android 19's movements. This puts into perspective what Vegeta is talking about in his 2nd statement. Vegeta believed Android 20 was unimpressive based on watching Android 19 move. However, Android 20 ended up being faster than he expected. Since Android 20 was initially lumped with 19, that would mean Android 20 was originally expected to be roughly as fast as Android 19. Yet, he proved to be much faster than that. That was well before absorbing Suppressed Piccolo as well.
Toriyama also makes it clear that Android 20 could be a potential threat to Vegeta whereas no implication is ever made about Android 19.
Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P14.7
Context: after seeing that Gohan, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kuririn had followed him
No.20: “If I collect their energy and add it to my own,
I’ll be able to win against Vegeta!”
Chapter: 346 (DBZ 152), P8.2
Context: Piccolo wants to fight No.20 without Vegeta's interference
No.20: “Don’t interfere, he says…Kukkukkuh…Alright, if I drain [Piccolo]'s energy again,
then [I’ll win] against Vegeta…”
I think there's enough information present that places Android 20 as superior to Android 19.
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:34 pm
GatoF wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 3:10 pm
ToP Piccolo's fully charged Makankosappo vs ToP Android 17's barrier
17’s barrier could handle Anilaza’s beam, so Piccolo ain’t scratching it.
17's barrier was also capable of withstanding hits from a Powered-Up Jiren. Piccolo at best, is comparable to Base Gohan who isn't using his Ultimate power so a Makankosappo from him isn't doing anything to Android 17 who was initially close to Blue Goku prior to the Tournament of Power.