MrGohanks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:34 pm
SSB Goku (Buu saga) vs Syn Shenron
SSB Vegeta (Early Black arc) vs Base Gogeta (U6 arc)
SSJ Rage Trunks (End of Black arc) vs Hit (ToP anime)
And if Piccolo had his Orange form at the Start of Z, who is the strongest character that he could beat?
1) SS4 and SSG provide similar boosts, but with a much weaker base form in Z, GT SS4 and Z SSB probably are on equal grounds. I think Ih Shenron takes this one, Goku in Z was weaker than Freeza in base, while in GT he was over hundreds of times stronger. I don't think a new form closes the gap between Goku's base forms.
2) Vegeta might have some type of edge, fusion tends to be a little bit stronger than their fusees, so I think the gap might be closed by the next arc. Gogeta with KK would win, without it, I think Vegeta wins after a tough fight.
3) Hit wins, his techniques are too much for Trunks, who isn't exactly the smartest fighter. Time hax, Time Cage, Trunks is not breaking those techniques.
supersaiyangodgogeta wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:54 pm
Ultimate Gohan(Beerus Arc) vs "Ultimate" Gohan(Zen Exhibition Match)
Both version lack the bang, but are stated to be Ultimate, however that obviously isn't synonymous with having access to his full dormant potential.
Assuming Gohan's decline started before BoG and not between BoG and RoF, and considering how much weaker he was in RoF, it makes the most sense, I'd say EM Ultimate Gohan should win this.
He had been training with Piccolo on the side and off screen, and while his Ultimate form was locked for him, if he would've unleashed it back then, he would've been probably as strong as his Buu arc self, as mentioned in the anime when he got his groove back.
BoG Gohan was also surpassed by an enraged SS2 Vegeta, and I've read people say that it was stated Goku was the strongest of the bunch by then, which matches what is seen later in RoF: a weakass post-Buu arc Gohan.