This. Vegetto stomps Gohan even harder than Buutenks did.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Rou Kaioshin said that if Goku & Gohan were to merge with Potara, they would be strong enough to beat Gotenks Boo without Super Saiyan, because "Potara are that extreme". Since I believe that Vegetto is stronger than hypothetical GokuXGohan in base/SS/2/3, with GokuXGohan only surpassing Vegetto with his Ultimate state, then base Vegetto beats Ultimate Gohan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ultimate Gohan vs Base Vegetto. Go!
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Ultimate Gokhan is already in base though.... Naturally he would think they didn't need SSJ to win.
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Since his appearance is different when he is fighting and when he is not (different hairstyle & eyes), and since we see him powering up in BoG like he is transforming, I think that the Ultimate state is different from his base state. And also, Rou Kaioshin said that GokuXGohan wouldn't need Super Saiyan because of the power of the Potara, not because of Gohan's power.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ultimate Gohkan is already in base though.... Naturally he would think they didn't need SSJ to win.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Can't both Gohan's power and the Potara's power being factored here? No Rou Kaioshin said transforming is the wrong way of doing things. Ultimate Gohan isn't a transformation. It's his base form, just powered up. Gohan's power could be merely doubled and he would still Kick Buutenks' ass.
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I didn't say that the Ultimate power-up is a transformation, I said that it's a different state. And as for what Kaioshin was talking about, here is the line:
Doesn't sound like he is talking about Ultimate to me.Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He says probably, he doesn't know. We also don't even know how Gohan's ultimate form will effect the fusion. Hypothetical Gokhan could very well be stronger than Vegetto despite the rival boost since Gohan is so powerful. I have Ultimate Gokhan hitting about 46,200,000,000,000 upon fusing with Goku and that's as strong as he can get. I don't think he can go SSJ. If I went with my current level for base Vegetto, which is only stronger than SSJ2 Gotenks, his SSJ3 level would be 25,600,000,000,000. Which makes sense IMO. So I have Ultimate Gohan taking this
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IMO, Vegetto would be stronger than GokuXGohan because Goku matches better with Vegeta than with Gohan. Goku & Vegeta belong to the same race, they are around the same age, they are equals, they are both fighters at heart, they are both fighting geniuses, and they are both rivals. On the other hand, Goku & Gohan are from slightly different races (Goku is 100% Saiyan, while Gohan is 50% Saiyan, 50% Earthling), there is a big age gap (father & son), base Goku is stronger than base Gohan, Goku is a fighter at heart, while Gohan is not, and they are not rivals. GokuXGohan would only overpower Vegetto with his Ultimate state IMO.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I think Gokhan can only be base and Ultimate. I don't think he can go SSJ, well he can but it would be inferior to his ultimate form. While I agree that a Vegeta and Goku fusion is a better match up, Gohan is just super powerful. He exceeds Vegetto with Ultimate, I agree there, but in base, he doesn't come close.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:IMO, Vegetto would be stronger than GokuXGohan because Goku matches better with Vegeta than with Gohan. Goku & Vegeta belong to the same race, they are around the same age, they are equals, they are both fighters at heart, they are both fighting geniuses, and they are both rivals. On the other hand, Goku & Gohan are from slightly different races (Goku is 100% Saiyan, while Gohan is 50% Saiyan, 50% Earthling), there is a big age gap (father & son), base Goku is stronger than base Gohan, Goku is a fighter at heart, while Gohan is not, and they are not rivals. GokuXGohan would only overpower Vegetto with his Ultimate state IMO.
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Why? Both Goku & Gohan can still go Super Saiyan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Gokhan can only be base and Ultimate.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
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I just edited my last post. He can but it would be inferior to his ultimate form. He can't stack SSJ and ultimate.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why? Both Goku & Gohan can still go Super Saiyan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Gokhan can only be base and Ultimate.
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Yeah, I agree. If he could go Super Saiyan on top of Ultimate, he would have done that against Boo.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I just edited my last post. He can but it would be inferior to his ultimate form. He can't stack SSJ and ultimate.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
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Hmm I'm actually starting to second guess myself here. Maybe Vegetto should be stronger than Ultimate Gokhan. He would need SSJ2 but still....
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I saw Cardle's M8 Broly vs SPC thread. Anyway FP PC would stomp M8 Broly effortlessly. M8 Broly is just stronger than SSJ Grade 3 Trunks. I am surprised people can't realise when M8 gets placed. 
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I am surprised you still think everything you say is fact.Undertaker wrote:I saw Cardle's M8 Broly vs SPC thread. Anyway FP PC would stomp M8 Broly effortlessly. M8 Broly is just stronger than SSJ Grade 3 Trunks. I am surprised people can't realise when M8 gets placed.
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IKR 
. Goku showed us half his FPSSJ power so why can't he use it in Movie 8? Broly is much stronger than SSJG3 Trunks.
. Goku showed us half his FPSSJ power so why can't he use it in Movie 8? Broly is much stronger than SSJG3 Trunks.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Let's not start this again please. It's already taken over every other thread that he gets involved in. So......TheMightyOzaru wrote:IKR
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I really don't know. But if she's like Majin Vegeta level I wouldn't find it surprising... isn't even Freeza ultra haxxed in GT?Kamiccolo9 wrote:Let's not start this again please. It's already taken over every other thread that he gets involved in. So......TheMightyOzaru wrote:IKR
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Hmm I haven't yet completed my GT power levels but I wanna say she is around Semi-Perfect Cell or higher so Pan takes this.
Freeza's stronger but not haxxed.RandomGuy96 wrote:I really don't know. But if she's like Majin Vegeta level I wouldn't find it surprising... isn't even Freeza ultra haxxed in GT?
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16 because everyone knows only Goku can accomplish things in GT.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Of course.... it is after all Dragon Ball: Goku Time.dbzfan7 wrote:16 because everyone knows only Goku can accomplish things in GT.
Based on this quote; Gohkan should be able to transform into a Super Saiyan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I have Ultimate Gokhan hitting about 46,200,000,000,000 upon fusing with Goku and that's as strong as he can get. I don't think he can go SSJ.
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”
Elder Kaioshin understood the Potara, and also understood the ceremony he performed on Gohan. He would have said something if transforming was an impossibility or of no benefit.