The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Cursed Lemon]

Normal SS Gohan stomps Goku flat.

...There is absolutely no way I will ever believe that.

[KentalSSJ6]

Goku VS The Saibamen.

How would it all go if Goku arrived from the start? Would most of the group still die? Or would Goku being there prevent that?

[Kid Buu]

Goku VS The Saibamen.

How would it all go if Goku arrived from the start? Would most of the group still die? Or would Goku being there prevent that?

Goku one-shots, then one-shots Nappa, then loses to Vegeta.

[KentalSSJ6]

Goku VS The Saibamen.

How would it all go if Goku arrived from the start? Would most of the group still die? Or would Goku being there prevent that?

Goku one-shots, then one-shots Nappa, then loses to Vegeta.

But wouldn't Yamcha, Tienshinhan, Chioaztu (hope I spelled it right), and Piccolo still be alive? Id think their efforts combined with Goku's would have made Vegeta a much easier fight.

[TheGmGoken]

Normal SS Gohan stomps Goku flat.

...There is absolutely no way I will ever believe that.

Gohan didn't get dat much weaker. I have him as exactly the same as Perfect Cell that fought Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

Normal SS Gohan stomps Goku flat.

...There is absolutely no way I will ever believe that.

According to the Daiz, CG SS Gohan = Buu arc SS Gohan. CG SS Gohan completely and utterly outclassed his father, and could stomp him easily.

[Kid Buu]

Buu Arc SS1 Gohan would win, Cell Arc Gohan would refuse to fight.

[mAcChaos]

He might be the same power wise, but his skills are rusty. Goku would be able to out fight him.

[Captain Sauza]

Vegeta after his power nap on Namek vs Cooler's Armored Squadron.

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta after his power nap on Namek vs Cooler's Armored Squadron.

Salza managed to fight with the fused Piccolo. I'd imagine any of them could beat Vegeta.

Or, if you want to take their V-Jump numbers into account, then all together, they may be able to accomplish something. I'd say that Vegeta would still win, though.

[KentalSSJ6]

Vegeta after his power nap on Namek vs Cooler's Armored Squadron.

Salza managed to fight with the fused Piccolo. I'd imagine any of them could beat Vegeta.

Or, if you want to take their V-Jump numbers into account, then all together, they may be able to accomplish something. I'd say that Vegeta would still win, though.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Vegeta cap at around 250k on Namek? And, arent the Squadron's levels at least a million?

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta after his power nap on Namek vs Cooler's Armored Squadron.

Any single member is many times stronger than Vegeta is here.

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta after his power nap on Namek vs Cooler's Armored Squadron.

Salza managed to fight with the fused Piccolo. I'd imagine any of them could beat Vegeta.

Or, if you want to take their V-Jump numbers into account, then all together, they may be able to accomplish something. I'd say that Vegeta would still win, though.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Vegeta cap at around 250k on Namek? And, arent the Squadron's levels at least a million?

Some magazine (V-Jump, I believe) put him at 250 thousand. Some people don't accept that due to how he performed against Freeza, who was at 530 thousand, but whatever.

The armored squadron have official numbers putting them in the 100 thousands, with all of them being somewhat stronger than Ginyu. But, like you pointed out, due to how they perform against Piccolo (especially Salza), one would think that they would be at least around his level of strength.

[RandomGuy96]

There's also them giving base Goku trouble, and Salza one-shotting Gohan, who by the end of the Namek arc was heavily implied if not outright stated to be over one million without rage (and was put at 200K at the start of the Freeza battle in that same magazine- supposedly much stronger than Salza).

[Captain Sauza]

I think the official power levels could work, although the only thing that bugs me is Doore being listed with a higher PL than Sauza due to Sauza deflecting Goku's ki blast easier than Doore did and being able to deflect two ki blasts from Piccolo while Doore got killed by one.

Using their official numbers and using the 250,000 PL listed for Vegeta, I think it could be a good bout. Neiz has his evasiveness and electric attack thing going on and Sauza's Sauza Blade could give Vegeta trouble due to working like a kienzan in a way.

[RandomGuy96]

I think the official power levels could work, although the only thing that bugs me is Doore being listed with a higher PL than Sauza due to Sauza deflecting Goku's ki blast easier than Doore did and being able to deflect two ki blasts from Piccolo while Doore got killed by one.

So Salza was somehow able to one-shot someone way stronger than him...? And effectively committed suicide by attacking someone he thought to be stronger than at least 1st form Freeza?

[Captain Sauza]

I think the official power levels could work, although the only thing that bugs me is Doore being listed with a higher PL than Sauza due to Sauza deflecting Goku's ki blast easier than Doore did and being able to deflect two ki blasts from Piccolo while Doore got killed by one.

So Salza was somehow able to one-shot someone way stronger than him...? And effectively committed suicide by attacking someone he thought to be stronger than at least 1st form Freeza?

The numbers seem low to me as well due to how they performed in the movie, but if the numbers for the squad are official then you can come up with explanations for those numbers to make sense.

As far as I remember from the Japanese dub, Neiz saw that Goku's PL was low and Sauza figured he was one who was able to increase his battle power when needed, so they decided to confirm it by testing him. They probably didn't entirely believe themselves that a Saiyan could have killed Freeza, just like Cooler was in disbelief at the beginning. Goku was likely suppressed the whole time in the beginning which would account for his struggle with Sauza's ki blast or Doore's bear hug. Gohan might have just been weaker in the movie. They gave him back his tail weakness for one.

[RandomGuy96]

I think the official power levels could work, although the only thing that bugs me is Doore being listed with a higher PL than Sauza due to Sauza deflecting Goku's ki blast easier than Doore did and being able to deflect two ki blasts from Piccolo while Doore got killed by one.

So Salza was somehow able to one-shot someone way stronger than him...? And effectively committed suicide by attacking someone he thought to be stronger than at least 1st form Freeza?

The numbers seem low to me as well due to how they performed in the movie, but if the numbers for the squad are official then you can come up with explanations for those numbers to make sense.

As far as I remember from the Japanese dub, Neiz saw that Goku's PL was low and Sauza figured he was one who was able to increase his battle power when needed, so they decided to confirm it by testing him. They probably didn't entirely believe themselves that a Saiyan could have killed Freeza, just like Cooler was in disbelief at the beginning. Goku was likely suppressed the whole time in the beginning which would account for his struggle with Sauza's ki blast or Doore's bear hug. Gohan might have just been weaker in the movie. They gave him back his tail weakness for one.

They're not as "official" as the Daizenshuu or something like that. It's a magazine that has previously assigned very questionable and downright contradictory ratings to characters before.

[Kaboom]

The numbers seem low to me as well due to how they performed in the movie, but if the numbers for the squad are official then you can come up with explanations for those numbers to make sense.

My sentiments exactly. They might seem sketchy at first, but they're not unworkable. And I prefer to work with such numbers whenever possible instead of just throwing them out.

[kuartus4]

Normal SS Gohan stomps Goku flat.

...There is absolutely no way I will ever believe that.

According to the Daiz, CG SS Gohan = Buu arc SS Gohan. CG SS Gohan completely and utterly outclassed his father, and could stomp him easily.

Doesn't that directly contradict Vegeta noting Gohan had gotten weaker?