The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:40 am

Syn Shenron should be stronger than Beerus, as Chozenshuu 4 places BOG and GT in the same continuity, and Syn was stated to be Goku's most powerful foe. So Omega would obviously flick Whis' head off. To say nothing of SSG Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:52 am

Goku: "You're the strongest Ki I've ever felt!". (In regards to Super Baby 1)

GT takes place after BoG.

Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta >>>>>>>>>>>> Super Saiyan 4 Goku >>> Super Baby 2 >> Super Baby 1 > Whis

But in all seriousness we all know they're most likely not part of the same continuity.

All we know about BoG compared to GT is that both SSJGod Goku and Super Saiyan 4 Goku are stronger than Super Vegetto (Buu saga)
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Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:43 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:All we know about BoG compared to GT is that both SSJGod Goku and Super Saiyan 4 Goku are stronger than Super Vegeta (Buu saga)
Do you mean Super Vegetto, right?

I like to put Omega Shenron in the same ballpark as the gods for the matter.

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Humpski wrote:Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?
Looooool, no.

Colonel Silver, maybe.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Humpski » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:12 pm

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Humpski wrote:Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?
Looooool, no.

Colonel Silver, maybe.
You think? I know she can't use ki, but maybe she could beat up Raditz? Didn't she take a punch from Broly and live? I can't remember that movie well.
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Post by Doctor. » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:19 pm

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Humpski wrote:Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?
Looooool, no.

Colonel Silver, maybe.
You think? I know she can't use ki, but maybe she could beat up Raditz? Didn't she take a punch from Broly and live? I can't remember that movie well.
Unlike that non-canon movie, BoG is canon and she can't even tank a bullet, something Kid Goku took to the head with ease.

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Post by Humpski » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:39 pm

Doctor. wrote: Unlike that non-canon movie, BoG is canon and she can't even tank a bullet, something Kid Goku took to the head with ease.
Oh really? I haven't seen BoG. Interesting. That does put things into perspective.
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:12 pm

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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:All we know about BoG compared to GT is that both SSJGod Goku and Super Saiyan 4 Goku are stronger than Super Vegeta (Buu saga)
Do you mean Super Vegetto, right?

I like to put Omega Shenron in the same ballpark as the gods for the matter.
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Post by Sandubadear » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:08 pm

Old King Piccolo vs. Android 8?
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:40 pm

Sandubadear wrote:Old King Piccolo vs. Android 8?
Piccolo one-shots.
Humpski wrote:Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?
What the - Videl? :eh:

You think Videl is 400-500x stronger than a farmer? All she can do is fly. Raditz blinks her out of existence.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:59 pm

Speaking of GT and BOG, I believe SSjG Goku is stronger then SSj4 Goku given how SSjG Goku is able to put up a fight against Beerus and godly ki seems to be stronger then normal ki. Not to mention Goku mention fusion won't be enough to beat Beerus meaning that SSj3 Vegito won't be strong enough to beat Beerus and SSj3 Vegito could beat SSj4 Goku power scaling. Since Beerus never used his full power, I put him around Super 17 after absorbing SSj4 Goku's Kamehameha X10.
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Post by Sandubadear » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:04 pm

I have to myself that, while SSJ God is a better transformation, SSJ4 GT Goku is still stronger.

Base GT Goku is on par with his SSJ3 Buu saga self, while base BoG Goku is weaker than Frieza.

Of course, if you took two Gokus with the same strength and made one go SSJ4 and the other SSJ God, the God wins.
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:38 pm

base GT Goku is arguably a lot stronger than his SSJ3 Z-self. By the End of Z he's already somehwhat implied to be above Good Buu, then he trains with Pure Buu's reincarnation for 5 years, then in GT, he gets ridiculous power boosts just from batting people in space.

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Post by singsing » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:46 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:base GT Goku is arguably a lot stronger than his SSJ3 Z-self. By the End of Z he's already somehwhat implied to be above Good Buu, then he trains with Pure Buu's reincarnation for 5 years, then in GT, he gets ridiculous power boosts just from existing
Fixed that for you there. Logically SSG Goku stomps SSJ4 GT Goku. But then GT logic comes into play and SSG gets flicked away.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:55 pm

About the whole BoG vs GT thing, if it means anything, the GT characters (SS4 Goku, SS4 Vegeta, SS4 Gogeta, Super #17, Super Yi Xing Long) have higher stats than the BoG characters (God Goku, Beerus, Whis). And if we assume that they take place in the same continuity (as Chozenshuu 4 states), then according to Goku in GT, Super Baby 1 is stronger than Whis & Beerus. But there is also a line in a guidebook that says that SS Vegetto is "perhaps" stronger than SS4 Goku (implying that they are at around the same level), and God Goku is implied to be stronger than a hypothetical SS3 Vegetto... :crazy:
Hellspawn28 wrote:godly ki seems to be stronger then normal ki.
So, Dende >>> SS4 Vegetto?
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:11 pm

Sandubadear wrote:Old King Piccolo vs. Android 8?
Piccolo beats Eighter with his cane.
Humpski wrote:Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?
Oolong if he doesn't transform into that giant boar humanoid or that robot, and an unarmed Commander Red.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:20 pm

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Humpski wrote:Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?
Oolong if he doesn't transform into that giant boar humanoid or that robot, and an unarmed Commander Red.
I think she could take manga Silver. Anime Silver was a different matter, if I recall correctly, but she should be able to handle most "normal" Earthlings.

Nowhere near the freaks from the Budokai, though.
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Post by Doctor. » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:23 pm

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Humpski wrote:Who do we think is the strongest villain that Videl could defeat? Could she take out Raditz, or maybe even Nappa?
Oolong if he doesn't transform into that giant boar humanoid or that robot, and an unarmed Commander Red.
I think she could take manga Silver. Anime Silver was a different matter, if I recall correctly, but she should be able to handle most "normal" Earthlings.

Nowhere near the freaks from the Budokai, though.
Didn't Silver managed to surprise Goku once with his speed? I doubt Videl is as fast as 21st TB Goku.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:27 pm

Doctor. wrote: Didn't Silver managed to surprise Goku once with his speed? I doubt Videl is as fast as 21st TB Goku.
I don't recall that happening in the manga.

Regardless, you don't have to be as fast as someone to surprise them with your speed. If a 5 year old managed to have a good showing against me in a race, I'd be damn surprised.

And it's not like speed feats are remotely consistent in this series anyway.
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