The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ZombieVito]

1. SsjR Goku Black (no scythe) vs Android 17 (Top)
2 .Piccolo (Moro) vs Ssj3 Goku (BoG)
3. Fat Buu, Piccolo and Android 18 (ToP) vs U9 Trio of Danger
4. Ssj1 Future Gohan vs Final Form Cooler
5. Ssj2 Goku and Majin Vegeta (Buu) vs Fat Janemba

I have Black exactly as strong as Goku in the ToP so he wins after a good fight.
Piccolo in the ToP was already stronger than SSJ3 Goku... Wait this is manga Piccolo, shit. I don't know.
Bergamo uses his ability and wins after a long fight.
Cooler wins after a good fight.
Janemba.

New Battles

1. Black vs Cell (same power levels)?

2. Golden Frieza vs Saganbo (buffed)?

3. Jiren (FP 129) vs SsjB Vegito (Black) and M. Zamasu (no immortality)?

4. Hypothetical SsjBE Vegeta (RoF ) vs Black (end of the arc)?

Black. He's the better fighter.
Saganbo.
Jiren after small difficulties.
Vegeta one shots.

How far would Fused Zamasu go if he joined the Tournament of Power (no immortality/can't turn into Infinite Zamasu)?

Can he go corrupted and big? If so only Jiren and UI Goku can beat him. Vegeta, Toppo and Kefla could manage something with luck.

New Fights

1. Anime 3 GoD’s vs SsjB Goku kkx20, SsjBE Vegeta, Ssj2 Kefla, GoD Toppo, and Aniraza (no UI or other fusions besides Kefla)?

2. 5th form Cooler, mecha Frieza, King Cold vs Future Android 18?

3. Ginyu Force vs Cooler’s Squad?

4. SP Cell, Bojack, and Darbura vs Basil (Darbura can’t use his spit)?

5. Buugeto (Vegeto, Gohan, Gotenks, and piccolo) vs Ssj Vegeta (U6 arc, Buu can’t absorb Vegeta)?

Team A wins very easily, Goku and Aniraza are ants and Vegeta needs to get enraged to even stand up to one GoD. Team B might defeat one GoD if they get very lucky.
They could win if 18 didn't have infinite stamina. 18 wins.
Ginyu force might pull a win since it's 5 vs 3.
Basil stalemates Cell but loses thanks to 3 vs 1. Unless he eats the fruit of course.

SSj2 Z-sword Future Trunks ( the one who fought dabura) vs Super Perfect Cell

Trunks but barely.

[SupremeKai25]

Can he go corrupted and big? If so only Jiren and UI Goku can beat him. Vegeta, Toppo and Kefla could manage something with luck.

Yes, he just wouldn't be able to go Infinite Zamasu because otherwise he could cheese it. Suppose he'd be in the Giant Corrupted form from the end of ep.66.

[Peach]

Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. Toppo/Top

Garlic Jr (first appearance) vs. Raditz

[ZombieVito]

Can he go corrupted and big? If so only Jiren and UI Goku can beat him. Vegeta, Toppo and Kefla could manage something with luck.

Yes, he just wouldn't be able to go Infinite Zamasu because otherwise he could cheese it. Suppose he'd be in the Giant Corrupted form from the end of ep.66.

On second thought, Zamasu getting big does make him a lot slower so GoD Toppo, SSBE enraged Vegeta and SS2 Kefla could wear him down.

Infinite Zamasu is such a broken character, I love him.

[AtlasFlame18]

A couple of battles I thought of:

SS2 Cabba (ToP) & SS2 Caulifla (ToP) vs. SSG Goku (U6) & SSG Vegeta (U6)

Piccolo (ToP), Pirina, & Saonel vs. SSG Goku (ToP), Base Dyspo, & Base form Broly (No power-ups)

Hit (Manga ToP) vs Toppo (Manga ToP)

Mecha Frieza, 5th form Cooler, & King Cold vs. SS1 Namek Goku & SS1 Future Gohan

SS1 Goku Black (First appearance in the present timeline) & Present Zamasu vs. SS2 Vegeta (Beginning Goku of Black Arc) & SS2 Cabba (U6)

[Zamasu55]

Can he go corrupted and big? If so only Jiren and UI Goku can beat him. Vegeta, Toppo and Kefla could manage something with luck.

Yes, he just wouldn't be able to go Infinite Zamasu because otherwise he could cheese it. Suppose he'd be in the Giant Corrupted form from the end of ep.66.

On second thought, Zamasu getting big does make him a lot slower so GoD Toppo, SSBE enraged Vegeta and SS2 Kefla could wear him down.

Infinite Zamasu is such a broken character, I love him.

Probably the strongest character of the series, so far.

The only villain that only Zeno can defeat.

[Zamasu55]

Yes, he just wouldn't be able to go Infinite Zamasu because otherwise he could cheese it. Suppose he'd be in the Giant Corrupted form from the end of ep.66.

On second thought, Zamasu getting big does make him a lot slower so GoD Toppo, SSBE enraged Vegeta and SS2 Kefla could wear him down.

Infinite Zamasu is such a broken character, I love him.

Probably the strongest character of the series, so far.

The only villain that only Zeno can defeat.

A couple of battles I thought of:

SS2 Cabba (ToP) & SS2 Caulifla (ToP) vs. SSG Goku (U6) & SSG Vegeta (U6)

Piccolo (ToP), Pirina, & Saonel vs. SSG Goku (ToP), Base Dyspo, & Base form Broly (No power-ups)

Hit (Manga ToP) vs Toppo (Manga ToP)

Mecha Frieza, 5th form Cooler, & King Cold vs. SS1 Namek Goku & SS1 Future Gohan

SS1 Goku Black (First appearance in the present timeline) & Present Zamasu vs. SS2 Vegeta (Beginning Goku of Black Arc) & SS2 Cabba (U6)

- SsjG will always be superiour to Ssj2, unless we're talking about Kefla or Gogeta. Either one of them stomps.

- This is overkill honestly. Goku and Broly alone can solo. Not sure about Dyspo, but they wouldn't land a blow anyways.

- Hit, hands down.

- Goku stands aside while Future Gohan slaughters all of them, with one arm.

- Ssj Black only exists in the manga and never made it to the present.

[Sadala Elite]

Yes, he just wouldn't be able to go Infinite Zamasu because otherwise he could cheese it. Suppose he'd be in the Giant Corrupted form from the end of ep.66.

On second thought, Zamasu getting big does make him a lot slower so GoD Toppo, SSBE enraged Vegeta and SS2 Kefla could wear him down.

Infinite Zamasu is such a broken character, I love him.

Probably the strongest character of the series, so far.

The only villain that only Zeno can defeat.

Not true.

Supressed Jiren was stated to be stronger

[ZombieVito]

Probably the strongest character of the series, so far.

The only villain that only Zeno can defeat.

Zeno even had to erase the Grand Priest to defeat Zamasu.

I just can't see how he can be topped. Ever.

Not true.

Supressed Jiren was stated to be stronger

And that means nothing.

No matter how strong Jiren is, he can't beat Infinite Zamasu. He'll eventually die, either of old age or tiredness.

[SupremeKai25]

Jiren was never stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu. Shin just says that his power feels different. Doesn't mean stronger.

Scaling-wise, it's impossible to compare Infinite Zamasu to any other antagonist since he was so broken, in both anime and manga. Only an hax like the Zeno button could take care of him. There's a reason why we call him "Infinite".

[Sadala Elite]

Probably the strongest character of the series, so far.

The only villain that only Zeno can defeat.

Zeno even had to erase the Grand Priest to defeat Zamasu.

I just can't see how he can be topped. Ever.

Not true.

Supressed Jiren was stated to be stronger

And that means nothing.

No matter how strong Jiren is, he can't beat Infinite Zamasu. He'll eventually die, either of old age or tiredness.

Unless he uses a Hakai-like attack which can destroy souls or erase beings. Then Infinite Zamasu is easy for Jiren.

[Sadala Elite]

Jiren was never stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu. Shin just says that his power feels different. Doesn't mean stronger.

Scaling-wise, it's impossible to compare Infinite Zamasu to any other antagonist since he was so broken, in both anime and manga. Only an hax like the Zeno button could take care of him. There's a reason why we call him "Infinite".

Yes he was.

Surpreme Kai Shin, Vegeta and Goku all said that Jiren (who is stronger than Time) was the strongest adversary they ever faced at different points of the ToP arc. Which means that Suppressed Jiren > Inifinite Zamasu.

[SupremeKai25]

Jiren was never stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu. Shin just says that his power feels different. Doesn't mean stronger.

Scaling-wise, it's impossible to compare Infinite Zamasu to any other antagonist since he was so broken, in both anime and manga. Only an hax like the Zeno button could take care of him. There's a reason why we call him "Infinite".

Yes he was.

Surpreme Kai Shin, Vegeta and Goku all said that Jiren was the strongest adversary they ever faced at different points of the ToP arc. Which means that Suppressed Jiren > Inifinite Zamasu.

Prove it. Also, Different power =/= Stronger.



Shin never said he was stronger.

[Sadala Elite]

Jiren was never stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu. Shin just says that his power feels different. Doesn't mean stronger.

Scaling-wise, it's impossible to compare Infinite Zamasu to any other antagonist since he was so broken, in both anime and manga. Only an hax like the Zeno button could take care of him. There's a reason why we call him "Infinite".

Yes he was.

Surpreme Kai Shin, Vegeta and Goku all said that Jiren was the strongest adversary they ever faced at different points of the ToP arc. Which means that Suppressed Jiren > Inifinite Zamasu.

Prove it. Also, Different power =/= Stronger.



Shin never said he was stronger.

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[SupremeKai25]

Okay so there's already a mistake in the first 3 lines of that thread you posted:

Kaioshin concludes that the Ki Jiren outputted is far greater than anything universe 7 warriors has ever faced.

No, he never said that, as you can see both here and in that thread Shin only said his power felt different from anyone they faced before. Which is logical, since everyone has different ki, even Zamasu and Black had slightly different ki despite being the same person.

Beerus freaked out from Jiren's energy while Beerus didn't react much to Infinite Zamasu at all. Notice The difference in reactions. Also, Whis says nothing about Zamasu's energy being above a God Of Destruction or even wasn't that worried or skeptical, unlike with Jiren.

This is also somewhat disingenuous, Beerus was clearly unsettled when he felt Zamasu's energy, he just didn't freak out because he didn't know what exactly was happening. In the ToP he saw firsthand just what kind of feat Jiren was able to pull off, in the Future Trunks arc he just pointed out how something Zamasu did in the future was having repercussions in the present (which could've just been something minor like when Black used the time conduit to go to the present). Different scenarios. We don't know how Beerus would've reacted if he actually saw what Zamasu had become. Based on the reactions of Shin and Gowasu, Beerus would have most likely been terrified, especially since he had no counter to an immortal 4th dimensional being.

Also Whis was in Beerus' planet, so very very far away from Earth, and he was still able to feel Zamasu's energy and actually described it as an uneasy feel that made his skin tingle, even though Zamasu's presence was limited to a small gap in the sky above Capsule Corps. So yes that is a considerable feat.

Also no one can destroy an immortal being, not even the Hakai can. That's why to this day Infinite Zamasu remains the only villain who forced Zeno to intervene, like ZombieVito said. Infinite Zamasu vs. Jiren, the former wins by default. Especially since Jiren doesn't have any sealing technique like the mafuba.

[Zamasu55]

On second thought, Zamasu getting big does make him a lot slower so GoD Toppo, SSBE enraged Vegeta and SS2 Kefla could wear him down.

Infinite Zamasu is such a broken character, I love him.

Probably the strongest character of the series, so far.

The only villain that only Zeno can defeat.

Not true.

Supressed Jiren was stated to be stronger

Stronger, sure. Still unable to defeat him tho.

[ZombieVito]

Unless he uses a Hakai-like attack which can destroy souls or erase beings. Then Infinite Zamasu is easy for Jiren.

Hakai cant destroy an immortal being. Jiren also doesn't know Zeno's erase technique so he dies.

[Sadala Elite]

Unless he uses a Hakai-like attack which can destroy souls or erase beings. Then Infinite Zamasu is easy for Jiren.

Hakai cant destroy an immortal being. Jiren also doesn't know Zeno's erase technique so he dies.

Yes it can if the user is strong enough. That's how all DB techniques work.

[ZombieVito]

Unless he uses a Hakai-like attack which can destroy souls or erase beings. Then Infinite Zamasu is easy for Jiren.

Hakai cant destroy an immortal being. Jiren also doesn't know Zeno's erase technique so he dies.

Yes it can if the user is strong enough. That's how all DB techniques work.

So you are going against what's said in the story then?

OK.

[Sadala Elite]

Hakai cant destroy an immortal being. Jiren also doesn't know Zeno's erase technique so he dies.

Yes it can if the user is strong enough. That's how all DB techniques work.

So you are going against what's said in the story then?

OK.

Then explain how Zeno was able to kill Infinite Zamasu then.