DestructoDisc wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:51 am
BWri wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:28 am
The anime makes it clear that they far exceed Frieza and Android saga Androids. Krillin himself seems to be on a suppressed #18's level. #18 is the wildcard in the anime. Until the Moro arc, I wasn't sure if she was still the same as she was in the Buu arc, a little bit stronger than that, a lot stronger than that, or comparable to #17 though slightly weaker. It seems now, they are more or less on the same level, but in the ToP it wasn't so clear.
Idk about that, I mean, what did Tien do in Super that would put him far above Namek Freeza? Krillin I understand, Roshi is debatable, but Tien didn't do anything impressive in Super.
In all fairness, Super has made Tien look the weakest he has ever looked in the entire series. So, I understand your trepidation at ranking Tien so high. I believe that the general level of power in the Tournament of Power is quite high. We see many of the "jobbers" skirmishing with the high tier fighters such as #17, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Even though the stronger fighters are holding back so as not to kill the weaker fighters, I believe a minimum level of skill and power is necessary to even compete without being 1-shot. I don't think anyone here is weaker than say, Captain Ginyu, except maybe Shantza in the anime, though weirdly enough he seems to be much stronger in the manga.
That said, I haven't really gathered proof other than several of these "fodder" fighters lasting quite long in the tournament, but that's the general feel I get whenever I watch the anime version of ToP. But with Tien specifically, we know one thing, he never stops training. At this point, that's the one constant with his character. He'll never stagnate or lose power like Gohan. Super has also broke away with the notion that characters stick to some arbitrary limit of power like many in the community used to believe. And Super has also shown us, rather ineffectively and rather late, that the Z fighters have actually been training quite hard in the background and gaining a lot of power. This extends to literally everyone ... except maybe Tien admittedly since his writing was just plain abyssmal ... but the RoF movie clued me in on where Tien stood in the power hierarchy. While Krillin needed Gohan's assistance and Roshi needed Krillin's assistance, Tien handled his allotment of Frieza soldiers quite effortlessly, same as Piccolo. I remember the anime retconned some of that with Krillin having PTSD and I unfortunately don't remember that version of the fight because of the lackluster choreography and animation.
Just rewatched the fight. It looks like once Krillin got past his PTSD he had no trouble, though Roshi had some battle damage during the fight while Tien and Krillin were unscathed. So at this point, at least, Roshi is behind Tien which makes sense. Later on, Roshi got some sort of SUPREME buff while the writers seem to have had 0 interest in Tien. Anyways, it stands to reason that if Roshi could somehow gain so much strength that he could box with a suppressed Frost, who is far far far far stronger than Frieza in his prime on Namek, then it stands to reason that Tien would be reasonably close to Roshi since he was ahead of him during RoF. I think even 25% of whatever Roshi is outputting is enough to deal with the Frieza saga solo and that's probably where Tien is, anime-wise. He did worse in the manga, so I guess that's all we can count on from him.
Also thank you for mentioning the androids seemingly being on the same level now in the manga. Not that many people bring it up despite it being pretty interesting.
People have been downplaying both her and Piccolo for a while now. I don't really understand her particular growth, because it hasn't been emphasized, but like you say, it is interesting and it makes sense that she could also get extremely powerful if #17 could. My only question is, why didn't she do this before? You'd think she'd train harder after Buu killed her, but whatever.
Big fan of the characters of Dragon Ball, all of them, especially formerly prominent sub-characters. -__-
