The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sikat » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:08 pm

GatoF wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:18 pm Piccolo (U6 arc) vs SS2 Vegeta (Boo arc)
SS3 Goku (BoG) vs Boo Piccolo (Piccolo + Goten + Kid Trunks)
Kid Gohan vs Kururin (both at the Ginyu arc and no random power boost for Gohan)
1.
Piccolo went even with Frost, who is weaker than or low SS1 tier at best. Unless you somehow believe U6 Arc SS1 >>>>> Boo Arc SS2 (which I don’t), SS2 Vegeta wins.

2.
BoG Goku, for the most part, was unable to keep up with his training because he had to earn money for Chichi. Therefore it’s unreasonable to assume he went from weaker than Kid Boo to stronger than Super Boo, not to even mention Boo Piccolo. So Boo Piccolo wins.

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Prior to before they even set foot on Namek, Gohan image sparred with Kururin and won. And then on Namek both of them get exponentially stronger; Gohan even going as far as to get confused for Goku by Vegeta. So yeah, Kid Gohan stomps even without a rage boost.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GatoF » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:40 pm

Peach wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:14 pm Goku Black and Zamasu vs. Toppo and Dyspo

Gottenks vs. Frost

Gottenks vs. Magetta

Buuhan vs. Base Black

Hercule vs. Farmer with Shotgun

Trio of Danger vs. The Three Magical Girls
1. Black and Zamasu win with high difficulty
2. On manga Gotenks wins and on anime Frost wins
3. Gotenks likes to talk a lot, he would insult Magetta and win
4. Black easily in the anime
5. Hercule is skilled and fast enough to disarm the farmer
6. Trio of Danger

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Peach wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:14 pm Goku Black and Zamasu vs. Toppo and Dyspo

Gottenks vs. Frost

Gottenks vs. Magetta

Buuhan vs. Base Black

Hercule vs. Farmer with Shotgun

Trio of Danger vs. The Three Magical Girls
Black and Toppo duck it out while Dyspo tries desperately to beat Zamasu with his speed but tires himself out and gets killed. Zamasu then goes and finishes Toppo if Black needs it.

Frost beats him even easier than Commeson Vegeta did.

I guess Gotenks would insult him eventually so he wins. Unless Magenta manages to hit him once, then it's over for Gotenks.

Black wins without any difficulty.

Mister Satan wins.

The girls are stronger but have no way to counter Bergamo's ability so they lose.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GatoF » Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:42 pm

Android 17 and Android 18 (ToP) vs Saonel and Pirina
Slim Good Buu vs Base Broly

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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:53 pm

GatoF wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:42 pm Android 17 and Android 18 (ToP) vs Saonel and Pirina
Slim Good Buu vs Base Broly
The Nameks are weaker than 17 but since this fight becomes 2 vs 1 right away then 17 loses.

Broly without Ikari was still able to fight with the likes of SS Vegeta. Boo has no chance unless he uses magic or absorbtion.

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Post by SSJgogeto » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:53 am

Majin Vegeta vs Basil (with the drug - no time limit)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:09 am

SSB UI Goku vs regular Jiren
SSB UI Goku vs SS Broly
SSB UI Goku vs FPSS Broly
SSB UI Goku vs Prime Moro

SSJgogeto wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:53 am Majin Vegeta vs Basil (with the drug - no time limit)
Anime Basil stomps

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:21 am

I'll do a MANGA VS. Battle for a change. Base Granolah arc Goku takes a gauntlet of the Zamases (Infinite Zamasu is omitted for obvious reasons):

1) Present Zamasu

2) Future Zamasu (he is given the Mafuba technique to seal him)

3) Base Goku Black

4) Super Saiyan Goku Black

5) Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black

6) Initial Fused Zamasu (again he is given the Mafuba technique)

7) Enraged Fused Zamasu (see above)

How far does this guy go and can he clear this gauntlet?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:44 pm

SSJgogeto wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:53 am Majin Vegeta vs Basil (with the drug - no time limit)
Basil wins easily with the drug. He struggles without it but still wins.
Koitsukai wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:09 am SSB UI Goku vs regular Jiren
SSB UI Goku vs SS Broly
SSB UI Goku vs FPSS Broly
SSB UI Goku vs Prime Moro
I don't think UI gives a significant boost to power on lesser forms so Goku loses every fight.
SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:21 am I'll do a MANGA VS. Battle for a change. Base Granolah arc Goku takes a gauntlet of the Zamases (Infinite Zamasu is omitted for obvious reasons):

1) Present Zamasu

2) Future Zamasu (he is given the Mafuba technique to seal him)

3) Base Goku Black

4) Super Saiyan Goku Black

5) Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black

6) Initial Fused Zamasu (again he is given the Mafuba technique)

7) Enraged Fused Zamasu (see above)

How far does this guy go and can he clear this gauntlet?
Base? Goku loses all of them.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:57 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:44 pm Base? Goku loses all of them.
Really? What a surprise, he loses to Present Zamasu too? His Base hasn't improved at all despite all the training he did since the end of that arc? What if he used Ultra Instinct in base (the technique)?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:35 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:57 pm
ZombieVito wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:44 pm Base? Goku loses all of them.
Really? What a surprise, he loses to Present Zamasu too? His Base hasn't improved at all despite all the training he did since the end of that arc? What if he used Ultra Instinct in base (the technique)?
He has improved but he would need to improve hundreds of times to beat him. Remember that Zamasu is SS2 tier.

I don't think UI gives a significant power boost in lower forms.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:01 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:35 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:57 pm
ZombieVito wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:44 pm Base? Goku loses all of them.
Really? What a surprise, he loses to Present Zamasu too? His Base hasn't improved at all despite all the training he did since the end of that arc? What if he used Ultra Instinct in base (the technique)?
He has improved but he would need to improve hundreds of times to beat him. Remember that Zamasu is SS2 tier.

I don't think UI gives a significant power boost in lower forms.
Yeah but in the manga Present Zamasu is only > Kibito, while Future Zamasu is weaker than Trunks. I think you got confused with the anime (there I agree that Present Zamasu is too much since he was SS2 level). In the manga I would say Goku could at least defeat the two Base Zamases and Base Black without resorting to any transformation.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:17 pm

GatoF wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:42 pm Android 17 and Android 18 (ToP) vs Saonel and Pirina
Slim Good Buu vs Base Broly
I can see this fight with the androids initially winning against Saonel and Pirina. Then, they assimilate with the hundreds of namekians they had absorbed, and begin stomping them. Then 17 decides to get serious and fights equally with them. He has the upper hand in strength and infinite energy, but the namekians have plenty of durability, so this depends on whether or not 17 could outlast them with infinite energy and spamming barriers.

Base Broly defeats Slim Good Buu, who was only stronger than Base Goku. Base Broly was strong enough to beat SSJ Vegeta and then force him to use SSG.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:16 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:21 am I'll do a MANGA VS. Battle for a change. Base Granolah arc Goku takes a gauntlet of the Zamases (Infinite Zamasu is omitted for obvious reasons):

1) Present Zamasu

2) Future Zamasu (he is given the Mafuba technique to seal him)

3) Base Goku Black

4) Super Saiyan Goku Black

5) Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black

6) Initial Fused Zamasu (again he is given the Mafuba technique)

7) Enraged Fused Zamasu (see above)

How far does this guy go and can he clear this gauntlet?
Taking into account he can use UI in his base, and that the result of it seems comparable to Vegeta's SS, plus the gains in the Moro arc that boosted his SSB performance immensily without even training his god forms, implying his base form grew stronger and not a particular form:

1) He easily beats Present Zamasu.

2) He seals Future Zamasu.

3) He defeats base Black, probably without UI.

4) He defeats SS Black, UI gives him the edge.

5) He loses to SSR Black, the gap is too big.

6) He ends sealed inside the jar by Fused Zamasu.

7) He dies horribly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:08 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:01 pm
ZombieVito wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:35 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:57 pm

Really? What a surprise, he loses to Present Zamasu too? His Base hasn't improved at all despite all the training he did since the end of that arc? What if he used Ultra Instinct in base (the technique)?
He has improved but he would need to improve hundreds of times to beat him. Remember that Zamasu is SS2 tier.

I don't think UI gives a significant power boost in lower forms.
Yeah but in the manga Present Zamasu is only > Kibito, while Future Zamasu is weaker than Trunks. I think you got confused with the anime (there I agree that Present Zamasu is too much since he was SS2 level). In the manga I would say Goku could at least defeat the two Base Zamases and Base Black without resorting to any transformation.
Zamasu was said to be weaker than Trunks. The same Trunks who was SS3 tier.

His fight with Kibito means nothing. Shin says no Kaioshin can beat him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lionel » Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:42 pm

GatoF wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:42 pm Android 17 and Android 18 (ToP) vs Saonel and Pirina
Slim Good Buu vs Base Broly
Android 17 and Android 18 (ToP) vs Saonel and Pirina

Yeah, this has to be the anime rendition since the manga did nothing with the two U6 Namekians except prop them up as disposable fodder to reinforce Kale's mindless state.

I believe the main conflict here lies in #17. Saonel and Pirina were depicted as on-par with Ultimate Gohan as he went at them with everything he had. #18 is unfortunately a non-factor unless she's able to distract the Namekians somehow or sacrifice herself for an opening which her brother can exploit.

My conclusion here is that one on one #17 could handle either Namekian as he does boast an advantage with the infinite energy and barrier ability. A secondary enemy cooperating here complicates matters past the point of viability for #17, in my opinion. You can debate as to their level of skill and experience but I don't believe the cyborg is seasoned enough to challenge two opponents close to him in power. Come to think of it, I could only see a scenario like that working if the solo fighter in question had incredible versatility like Buu or was very technically adept like Whis.

Slim Good Buu vs Base Broly

I didn't watch the movie. dragonball0900 mentioned base Broly as powerful enough to defeat SSJ Vegeta, right? I don't see how the leaned, trained up Good buu from before the tournament is going to be able to win this outside of the candy beam. His power was only sufficient enough to pressure base Goku from the TOP arc.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sikat » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:42 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:21 am I'll do a MANGA VS. Battle for a change. Base Granolah arc Goku takes a gauntlet of the Zamases (Infinite Zamas is omitted for obvious reasons):

1) Present Zamas

2) Future Zamas (he is given the Mafuba technique to seal him)

3) Base Goku Black

4) Super Saiyan Goku Black

5) Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black

6) Initial Fused Zamas (again he is given the Mafuba technique)

7) Enraged Fused Zamas (see above)

How far does this guy go and can he clear this gauntlet?
He hasn’t mastered UI in base, and the jump in power between base and SSB (at least in the manga) is massive. He wouldn’t be able to kill or even seal Future Zamas, so I’d say that’s where Goku loses even if he’s stronger.

The Mafuba required Goku to go SSB to properly use and try and seal Zamas, he wouldn’t be able to do it in base.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Peach » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:35 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:09 am SSB UI Goku vs regular Jiren
SSB UI Goku vs SS Broly
SSB UI Goku vs FPSS Broly
SSB UI Goku vs Prime Moro
Jiren
Broly
Broly
Moro

I think these level of characters require Mastered Ultra Instinct or Fusion (Gogeta/Vegito) minimum.

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616 Spider-Man (Peter Parker) vs. the Red Ribbon Army (No Tao Pai Pai). Who wins?
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Hellspawn28 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:15 am 616 Spider-Man (Peter Parker) vs. the Red Ribbon Army (No Tao Pai Pai). Who wins?
Spidey can take apart their operation but probably not their entire base in one go. He'd have to raid it several times and rest or he could abduct their leadership and take them to prison
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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