MrGohanks wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:54 pm
Awakened Jiren & Full Power Broly vs Cell Max
Base Goku (End of Granolah arc) vs SSG Goku (ToP arc)
Base Vegeta (End of Moro arc) vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ2 Cabba
Ultimate Gohan (Superhero) vs SSJR Goku Black in his prime & Spirit Sword Trunks
Kaioken x10 Goku (Start of Z) vs Nappa (no tail)
1) That's two juggernauts against a mindless creature with its weakspot exposed. Jiren is too good of a fighter to not try to go for the head-even if he doesn't know it's Cell's weakspot. They can take it, I doubt Broly or Jiren couldn't hold Cell Max just as great as Orange Piccolo did, while the other one gets ready to put him down.
2) SSG is still worlds above any base saiyan. Goku didn't get +1,000x stronger in the past two arcs. Base Goku by now, with UI, could take on a SS level enemy like SS Cabba for sure, but SSG is too much, even BoG SSG is too much.
3) Geets' base is kinda harder to pinpoint, but I don't think he's gotten 100x stronger in Yadrat, and that would be enough only to take on one SS2 fighter, against two he'd need to be much stronger. In his base form, I don't think he could take on two regular SS from U6.
4) Anime Ultimate Gohan was kinda lackluster, I don't think he can take a SSB tier character while also worrying about Trunks' attack, that cut Zamasu in half, it's just too much. Remove Trunks, and my money goes to Gohan.
Manga Gohan (even if we drop the Moro arc) would definitely be above Anime Black, and Trunks' assistance would be futile. The gammas were compared to Goku and Vegeta, who are not below SSR by now, and Gohan was holding his own just fine.
5) That's a strained 4,160 PL Goku vs a 4,000 fresh Nappa who when focused gave a +8k Goku a hard time. Even if Goku lasts as long as he did on Namek, he can't touch a focused Nappa.