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Berserker1921 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm
New Fight
Jiren and Broly vs Granolah?
So Granollah wished to be strongest but not stronger than the second and third strongest combined the Hester's think it works that way.
So it depends how much stronger you think Goku and Geets are than those two and if those two have improved too.
I think they take it.
If Granollah. Is. A 100 Goku 90 and Geets 85 I think Jiren and brolly would just need to be like 60 and 70 to achieve. The same. Imo
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga. Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.
Berserker1921 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm
New Fight
Jiren and Broly vs Granolah?
UI Goku was so tough that Moro-73 broke his arm by just trying to attack him. Moro-73 was stated by Goku to be the toughest opponent he's ever faced, so stronger than Jiren or Broly.
So we can establish that Granolah > UI Goku (moro arc) > Moro-73 > Broly or Jiren, and that someone stronger than Jiren or Broly would damage themselves just by trying to attack someone weaker than Granolah is now.
Jiren and Broly wouldn't stand a chance. They won't be able to even hit Granolah.
The obvious caveat to this is if Jiren and Broly have been doing some intense training, but I'm assuming you mean their most recent iterations as it's impossible to know if they're any stronger
Berserker1921 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm
New Fight
Jiren and Broly vs Granolah?
UI Goku was so tough that Moro-73 broke his arm by just trying to attack him. Moro-73 was stated by Goku to be the toughest opponent he's ever faced, so stronger than Jiren or Broly.
So we can establish that Granolah > UI Goku (moro arc) > Moro-73 > Broly or Jiren, and that someone stronger than Jiren or Broly would damage themselves just by trying to attack someone weaker than Granolah is now.
Jiren and Broly wouldn't stand a chance. They won't be able to even hit Granolah.
The obvious caveat to this is if Jiren and Broly have been doing some intense training, but I'm assuming you mean their most recent iterations as it's impossible to know if they're any stronger
We haven't seen UI white haired Goku yet nor an exact statement on if their bases are much stronger this arc.
So it could be White UI now > White UI then > God UI now.
We don't have enough evidence either way.
We just know that he's stronger than Gokus current strongest but not neccesarily Goku + Vegeta or a fusion.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga. Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.
Berserker1921 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm
New Fight
Jiren and Broly vs Granolah?
UI Goku was so tough that Moro-73 broke his arm by just trying to attack him. Moro-73 was stated by Goku to be the toughest opponent he's ever faced, so stronger than Jiren or Broly.
So we can establish that Granolah > UI Goku (moro arc) > Moro-73 > Broly or Jiren, and that someone stronger than Jiren or Broly would damage themselves just by trying to attack someone weaker than Granolah is now.
Jiren and Broly wouldn't stand a chance. They won't be able to even hit Granolah.
The obvious caveat to this is if Jiren and Broly have been doing some intense training, but I'm assuming you mean their most recent iterations as it's impossible to know if they're any stronger
We haven't seen UI white haired Goku yet nor an exact statement on if their bases are much stronger this arc.
So it could be White UI now > White UI then > God UI now.
We don't have enough evidence either way.
We just know that he's stronger than Gokus current strongest but not neccesarily Goku + Vegeta or a fusion.
I'm not sure what this post has to do with mine. I agree with everything you said and didn't mention fusion/goku + vegeta fighting together
We don't know how much stronger than Moro arc UI Goku the dragon made Granola. Maybe he surpassed Goku by a hair, or maybe he is over twice stronger than Goku was.
I don't know if that matters though, because UI Goku is literally untouchable for somebody stronger than Broly and Jiren like Moro73. Considering Granola isn't just raw strenght, he has other techniques as well, I think he would dispose of Jiren and Broly. He can probably put down Broly without much effort and in little time, Goku took out Moro73 with just 4 blows, Granola would need less than that with somebody weaker than Moro. It should be fairly similar what happens to Jiren.
Maybe he'd struggle against UI Moro73 and UI Goku, or maybe he'd lose to them because he isn't that much stronger than them, but Broly and Jiren have been left so much behind, that I don't think they could do much now.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
I think Gogeta wins, but doesn't come out of it unscathed like against Broly. Jiren landed a few blows on UI Goku, he also has an actual fighting style, he isn't just a brute, he know how to wield his strenght, so I think he can land at least one on Gogeta, and make that fight a little more challenging.
Peach wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:52 pm
Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan 4 Goku
Future Zamasu vs. Baby Vegeta
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks (Black saga) vs. Fat Buu
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Super Buu
We don't know if it meant a hypothetical GT vegito or Buu Vegito do we?
And if it was Buu saga gito, I'm not sure if they meant SS1 and a hypothetical SS3.
GT Vegito takes it IMO.
SS3 Buu wins by greater power or equal power and greater skill.
Zamasu is SS2 tier, GT vegeta has years to train and is already SS2 and I think bebi possesion powers you up no?
Trunks is SS3 tier already without the drain so Trunks takes it, he could even take Kid Buu.
Super Buu easily. Trunks is only SS3 tier, especially if he doesn't know about the absorption/candy beam and so on, not to mention hax regen.
Fat/Kid is a closer match.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga. Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.
An old match-up but a good one. Can Jiren successfully destroy Fused Zamasu's body until there's nothing left (something that a serious SSB Vegito failed to do), or is he forced to power-up/get serious in order to defeat him (in this case he loses as he's no longer Suppressed)?
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:55 amSuppressed Jiren vs. Corrupted Fused Zamasu
Spoiler:
An old match-up but a good one. Can Jiren successfully destroy Fused Zamasu's body until there's nothing left (something that a serious SSB Vegito failed to do), or is he forced to power-up/get serious in order to defeat him (in this case he loses as he's no longer Suppressed)?
His supressed state felt, according to Shin, different from anyone they've ever faced before, that should include Zamasu's corrupted form. So, yeah, he should be able to wipe out Zamasu, even if he comes right back from it. He shouldn't need to power up, he can deflect a SSBKKx20 genki dama with his glare and take Sign Goku with that power.
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:55 amSuppressed Jiren vs. Corrupted Fused Zamasu
Spoiler:
An old match-up but a good one. Can Jiren successfully destroy Fused Zamasu's body until there's nothing left (something that a serious SSB Vegito failed to do), or is he forced to power-up/get serious in order to defeat him (in this case he loses as he's no longer Suppressed)?
Jiren needs his Fullpower base to outstat
Anyway zamasu in immortal so he wins anyway because jiren has no mean to counter that
Peach wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:52 pm
Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan 4 Goku
Future Zamasu vs. Baby Vegeta
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks (Black saga) vs. Fat Buu
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Super Buu
I think SS4 Goku has this. I have base Vegetto stronger than base Goku but not enough to surpass him with SS3 against his SS4 transformation.
Zamasu is weaker but has immortality so he wins.
Base F. Trunks one shots any Boo with the exception of the Boo that trained for the ToP.
Same as above.
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:55 amSuppressed Jiren vs. Corrupted Fused Zamasu
Spoiler:
An old match-up but a good one. Can Jiren successfully destroy Fused Zamasu's body until there's nothing left (something that a serious SSB Vegito failed to do), or is he forced to power-up/get serious in order to defeat him (in this case he loses as he's no longer Suppressed)?
Jiren will need to get as serious serious him facing Omen Goku but at the end it would be pointless since he will be killed by Infinite Zamasu.
Gogeta wins with some difficulty. It won't be nearly as easy as the Broly fight.
I think the two would have a brutal fight, with Jiren actually getting some decent hits in. Maybe Jiren punches Gogeta's face, makes his lip bleed: prompting him to smile at the strength of this guy. I see it ending with Gogeta needing to use so much power fighting Jiren, that his final attack defuses him after it hits Jiren. Then Goku and Vegeta would beat the severely tired Jiren, like Frieza-Goku did in the TOP.