The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:46 pm

riiight...

OT:

SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Ultimate Gohan?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:40 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Ultimate Gohan?
:think: Super Gogeta is enough. Even Gohan-Boo would be helpless.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:41 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:riiight...

OT:

SSJ 3 Gogeta vs. Ultimate Gohan?
Probably Gogeta. I think he'd be stronger than Bootenks.

Although, Gohan lasted nearly a full 30 minutes against Bootenks. If he can stall out Gogeta for 5 minutes, he wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:43 pm

Yeah I have them in the same league, but I'd imagine the SSJ 3 drain would take a toll on Gogeta too.

SSJ 3 Gogeta: 78
Ultimate Gohan: 74

I think Gohan could take it, unless Gogeta gets the job done within 5 minutes.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:48 pm

I think SSJ Gogeta would be a little stronger than Ultimate Gohan. SSJ3 Gogeta is too much.

In Fusion Reborn, we saw SSJ Gogeta effortlessly take out someone stronger than regular Super Buu in a few hits, and not even Ultimate Gohan could pull off that kind of defeat on Super Buu.

Other than that, we don't have much else to go off of.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:50 pm

What did Super Janemba do to put him above Super Buu? He struggled with SSJ 3 Goku.

Also, I meant a hypothetical manga Gogeta. I'll edit my post.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:00 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:What did Super Janemba do to put him above Super Buu? He struggled with SSJ 3 Goku.

Also, I meant a hypothetical manga Gogeta. I'll edit my post.
Well, my power difference between Fat Buu and Super Buu is not nearly as big as others put. And it looked like to me Super Janemba was not 100%, he didn't take SSJ3 Goku seriously, so he did end up struggling for a few seconds because of that. Towards the end of that fight, it seemed a little one sided. Let's not forget Goku's statement of "he's picking us apart" before he fused.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:26 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:riiight...

OT:

SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Ultimate Gohan?
Depends on gaps you place on characters. I could see Gogeta taking this, but I can see Gohan outlasting him for 5 minutes, and then demolishing Goku and Vegeta.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GogesusSSG » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:56 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote: SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Ultimate Gohan?
I would have SS3 Gogeta at around the mid point between SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan so, despite being weaker he's close enough to win within the 5 minutes.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:57 pm

I have Gohan a hair weaker, but I still think fighting a SSJ 3 at equal levels gives you an advantage. Then again Gohan always finds a way to screw things up :P

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Post by singsing » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:15 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:
SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Ultimate Gohan?
Gogeta stomps.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:51 pm

ok then... I'll give Gogeta harder opponent.. SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Gohan-Buu

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by singsing » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:53 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:ok then... I'll give Gogeta harder opponent.. SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Gohan-Buu
Hypothetical manga Gogeta stomps.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:14 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:ok then... I'll give Gogeta harder opponent.. SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Gohan-Buu
Gogeta loses. He might end up a bit stronger, but he wouldn't be strong enough to avoid Boo absorbing him if it game to that. And I don't think it would, because Super Saiyan 3 is rather inefficient. He's got 5 minutes to finish off a powerful foe with insane regeneration, and Boo has no reason to rush. He should easily stall out Gogeta.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:05 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Gohan-Buu
Boohan gets some Gogeta Ice cream, or Goku and Vegeta chocolates.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:53 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:ok then... I'll give Gogeta harder opponent.. SSJ 3 Gogeta (manga) vs. Gohan-Buu
Gohan-Buu wins via candy beam

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:09 am

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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:What did Super Janemba do to put him above Super Buu? He struggled with SSJ 3 Goku.

Also, I meant a hypothetical manga Gogeta. I'll edit my post.
Well, my power difference between Fat Buu and Super Buu is not nearly as big as others put. And it looked like to me Super Janemba was not 100%, he didn't take SSJ3 Goku seriously, so he did end up struggling for a few seconds because of that. Towards the end of that fight, it seemed a little one sided. Let's not forget Goku's statement of "he's picking us apart" before he fused.
Janemba was taking Goku seriously and still having trouble. His facial expressions make that clear. Super Buu would have none. Goku explicitly said that, even with back-up, he'd be absolutely no match for Buu in terms of raw strength. Putting Janemba above Buu is ridiculous even if you ignore the Gotenks business, since he's still two SS3-tiers added together.

Combine that with the fact that SS Gogeta took way more than a few hits to beat a SS3-tier guy (he hit Janemba way more times than Gohan hit Buu, and not only was Janemba weaker, he couldn't regenerate), and this isn't a particularly high end showing. At the very, very least, Movie 13 SS Gogeta is weaker than Ultimate Gohan, who damaged a stronger opponent more with fewer hits. Anyway:

SS3 Gogeta vs Gohan: Gogeta might just one-shot. I think he's far enough above Gohan to finish him quickly.

SS3 Gogeta vs Buuhan: Super Buu wins after a good fight. I think Gogeta would end up a bit stronger, but not enough to overcome his stamina issues + Buu's stamina and regeneration.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:12 am

Okay, here are some I'm wondering about:

Boo arc Yamhan (Tenshinhan lowered to Yamcha's level) vs Kuririn (Boo arc, or peak if you think he weakened from not training).

Boo arc Yamhan (Yamcha raised to Tenshinhan's level) vs Kuririn (same as above).

Or, strongest opponent both sets of Yamhan can beat. Keep in mind he'd absolutely be weaker than base Gotenks.

Raditz vs 2 Saibaimen, no explosions.

Minus Bardock and Raditz vs Nappa.

Pure Evil Boo vs Good Boo and any one of Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:22 am

Saiga wrote:Okay, here are some I'm wondering about:
Boo arc Yamhan (Tenshinhan lowered to Yamcha's level) vs Kuririn (Boo arc, or peak if you think he weakened from not training).
I don't think Kuririn's lead over Tenshinhan and Yamcha is that big. And fusion is pretty extreme. It made to Cell Games MSSJ tier fighters into a high SSJ 3 tier fighter. Yamhan stomps
Boo arc Yamhan (Yamcha raised to Tenshinhan's level) vs Kuririn (same as above).
Yamhan finger flicks Kuririn.
Or, strongest opponent both sets of Yamhan can beat. Keep in mind he'd absolutely be weaker than base Gotenks.
Inbetween Kaioken x10 Namek Goku and 50% Freeza for the weaker one and a little above 50% Freeza for the stronger one.
Raditz vs 2 Saibaimen, no explosions.
Raditz imo.
Minus Bardock and Raditz vs Nappa.
I don't know strong minus Bardock is, but isn't he like in the 4,000 or so range? If so Nappa wins with no trouble.
Evil Boo vs Good Boo and any one of Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan.
Pure Evil Buu or Evil Buu? If it's the former, I'm not sure, if it's the latter, you can give him all 3 of those people and they all get one-shotted.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:00 am

Pure Evil, edited now.
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