ZombieVito wrote: CJStriker_CBR wrote:
So Again if we are being honest about the Canon of the Anime, I gave reference to Episodes 102-103 where it was shown that Ribrianne was able to Tank SSJ-Vegeta Rather Easy with her reactions in the fight and Go Even with Android 17 one on one with a battle that ended up breaking his shield in 1~Punch. It was also stated by both Vegeta in 102 and Android 17 in 103 that they where impressed with her level of power and never gave any clear verbal word after of themselves powering down or holding back..
Again Like I said, know that some put out the theory that some fall back on that they where holding back in those moments, but at no time during those fight or after in the show did they or any other character say about suppressing their powers or holding back. So I know some like to only focus on the base level fights, but they contradicts episodes 102-103.
Toei has questionable writing with scaling clearly later on but by Verb Canon given by both Goku and Universe 8's god Liquiir and Kai Iru of being impressed with her level as well. Also during that fight taking a Hit from SSJ-Blue Goku and not being damage at all and Goku having to Go SSJ-Blue to fight Super Ribrianne.
Also in episodes 117 it is clearly shown that Android 18 got a personal power up due figuring out her own power of love and it took the Strength of Android 17 in running defense as well for 18 that Tag Team moment that it took both of them to beat Giant Ribrianne.
So honestly again I don't know where Piccolo's level falls right now, I like fans that are more experts on him that know him better to give points and canon on where they believe at best he falls.
By my observations and others I have meet to say similar in scaling, with scaling on Ribrianne from her fights in 102-103 and her fight with Goku and episode 117's Tag Team and 18's Power of Love Power-Up, I say Her highest level is Likely at around where present day SSJ-3 Goku is right now at the least.
All of this is irrelevant unfortunately.
All of episode 102 and 103 can be explain with them having fun. When it came to U2 last legs, Ribrianne's power amounted to nothing.
So again. Goku himself said Zirloin got all of Ribrianne's power and couldn't even hit an exhausted base Goku.
She is weak.
Oh Yea, Episode 118, Honestly so Far My Favorite episode in All of DBS! Yea I remember that fight and the power-up by Zirloin, it was Epic and made it one of the best out of left field moments in all of DB History!
Well then, when you put it like that you might be onto something. I guess I will have to conced………
…..Zirloin was only shown in utilizing Base Form Ribrianne in that fight wasn’t she?!
Yea, if that is the measuring stick, Zirloin’s power-up, where are Ribrianne’s other forms of higher strength!?
Zirloin never once was shown utilizing any of those others. Where is the Enraged Power Ribranne
Form from Episode 103 she used against Android 17?!
Why not use the even More Powerful Super Ribrianne
Form form Episode 109? Yea, That form with the butterfly wings, the one that Goku had to Power-Up All the Way to SSJ-Blue to have the strength High enough to hurt and knock Ribrianne out of that form to accomplish. Again, Not SSJ, SSJ-2 or 3 or Red Goku, he went right to Blue.
If Zirloin was using all of her power levels at that point, where was that form?
Lets go for Broke, Lets go all the way `~~~` Where is GIANT Zirloin?! At this point Ribrianne’s Ultimate Powerful
Form?! If again Zirloin was utilizing Ribrianne’s best of her best levels, why not her highest form from Episode 117?!
You likely are seeing what I am getting at here,
Yea, it is an interesting comparison, as proud as I was of Zirloin achieve Ribrianne’s power to try and save Trillions of Lives in Universe 2, he was only shown in Base Ribrianne form, by comparison he was never shown using those other forms and it is not the best measuring stick to measure Ribrianne’s full strength when her other, more powerful forms are never used utilized Zirloin.
That is why doing caparisons from episodes like 102 of SSJ-1 Vegeta and episode 109 of SSJ-Blue I talk about, cause they are seeable canon with a form Ribrianne at thoses times and how she compared to those opponent's forms compared to her own. Measurable moments that we can stack-up, like those also of Android 17 in episode 103 that go even further to put it cause those get backed-up by words the very characters utter and they never utter later backtracking word on on those very moments saying they were holding back or just having fun.
Ribrianne's powers amount to an interesting Deal when you start to put these pieces together as well as other moments that where not discussed yet.
I do enjoy discussions and debates on these topics, they are interesting and thought provoking to have.