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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Rubens » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:42 am

Next Battle

pikkon VS lavender
Cooler VS Frost first form
ledjick VS Bergamo
Toppo base VS Hit
kid buu VS Fat janemba
A 14 and A 15 VS A 19 and A 20
kale base pre -top (ANIME) VS Bra GT (just for fun)
Kamikaze fireballs and team u2 VS supreme kais U7
1. Pikkon can win this one in my opinion if he figures out how to avoid the poison, so this can go both ways;
2. I think Frost wins one, his final form was way stronger than Piccolo, so his first shouldn't be too far down;
3. Bergamo easily wins this one;
4. Hit wins, even if Toppo figures him out he can use his assassination techniques;
5. Boo easily wins, and he probably would have fun at it;
6. 14 and 15 were basically one shot by super saiyans, so 19 and 20, with their energy absorbing ability, would probably win;
7. No idea;
8. Pass
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJgogeto » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:03 am

Full Power Dyspo vs SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF) - Dyspo
SSJ3 Goku (Start of BoG) vs Buutenks - Buutenks
Base Gogeta (DBS Broly) vs Base Toppo - Toppo
SSJR Goku Black (Scythe) vs Aniraza - Goku Black, probably
SSJ1 Vegeta (DBS Broly) vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ1 Kale - Vegeta
Spirit Sword Trunks vs SSBKKx20 Goku (ep.109) & SSB Vegeta (ep.122) - Goku & Vegeta
SSJ3 Gotenks (DBS) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc) - Gohan
Super 17 vs Syn Shenron - Super 17. IMO Syn have more raw power but Super 17 can absorb it
Perfect Cell vs SSJ1 Present Trunks & SSJ1 Goten (both post-Rosat) - Cell
Dabura vs SSJ1 Goku (Start of BoG) - Dabura

pikkon VS lavender - Pikkon
Cooler VS Frost first form - Cooler
ledjick VS Bergamo - ledjick if he goes all out from the beginning
Toppo base VS Hit - Hit
kid buu VS Fat janemba - Buu
A 14 and A 15 VS A 19 and A 20 - 14 and 15
kale base pre -top (ANIME) VS Bra GT (just for fun) - Kale, maybe
Kamikaze fireballs and team u2 VS supreme kais U7 - Kais

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:01 pm

ruler9871 wrote:1. SSJ1 Broly (DBS) vs Hit, A17 & Ultimate Gohan (All Post-ToP)
2. Golden Freeza (DBS Broly) vs SSBKKx20 Goku (ep.109)
3. SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Aniraza
4. SSJ1 Gotenks (Buu arc Post-Roast) vs SSJ3 Goku (Start of BoG)
5. Enraged Vegeta (BoG) vs General Rildo
6. Base Kefla vs SSB Goku (RoF)
7. Krillin (Cell Games) vs Base Goku (End of Namek arc)
8. Piccolo (Early Android arc) vs SSJ1 Trunks (1st appearance)
9. Roshi (ToP, no Mafuba) vs Perfect Cell
10. SSB Copy-Vegeta vs Obuni
And how strong do you think a hypothetical 4th Omen Goku would be?
1. Depends on how Hit's moves work on Broly.
2. Logically Goku should win if we accept they are a part of the same continuity, but if we go with SSB being Goku's full power in the Broly movie, then Frieza would probably edge out Goku's ToP full power, not including UI.
3. Aniraza, unless Vegeta goes for his weakness.
4. Goku pretty easily, even Buu saga ssj3 Goku would win imo.
5. pass
6. Gouk
7. Goku
8. Trunks
9. Cell stomps, Roshi can't beat namek saga first form Frieza without his special techniques.
10. Any SSB stomps Obuni
-Stronger than 3rd Omen Goku, but weaker than initial MUI Goku, probably somewhere around Jiren's full power before breaking his limits.
ruler9871 wrote:Full Power Dyspo vs SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta & Golden Freeza (All RoF)
SSJ3 Goku (Start of BoG) vs Buutenks
Base Gogeta (DBS Broly) vs Base Toppo
SSJR Goku Black (Scythe) vs Aniraza
SSJ1 Vegeta (DBS Broly) vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ1 Kale
Spirit Sword Trunks vs SSBKKx20 Goku (ep.109) & SSB Vegeta (ep.122)
SSJ3 Gotenks (DBS) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)
Super 17 vs Syn Shenron
Perfect Cell vs SSJ1 Present Trunks & SSJ1 Goten (both post-Rosat)
Dabura vs SSJ1 Goku (Start of BoG)
-Team pretty easily
-Buutenks
-Gogeta
-Aniraza unless Black goes for his weak spot
-Vegeta, but if Kale goes into her berserker form he would lose
-Goku and Vegeta as long as they can avoid his sword.
-Gohan wins, Goten and Trunks didn't get noticeably stronger, they arguably got weaker due to slacking off.
-pass
-Cell stomps
-Goku
Tai Lung wrote:Next Battle

pikkon VS lavender
Cooler VS Frost first form
ledjick VS Bergamo
Toppo base VS Hit
kid buu VS Fat janemba
A 14 and A 15 VS A 19 and A 20
kale base pre -top (ANIME) VS Bra GT (just for fun)
Kamikaze fireballs and team u2 VS supreme kais U7
-Pikkon
-Hard to say, but probably Frost
-pass
-Hit due to techniques
-kid Buu can probably turn him into chocolate
-pass
-pass
-supreme kais I guess. Two of them were strong enough to make Buu absorb them, and the grand supreme kai's original power was supposedly extremely high.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:07 pm

ruler9871 wrote:
Tai Lung wrote:Next Battle

Kamikaze fireballs and team u2 VS supreme kais U7
8. Any U2 fighter solos
How? Some of them were fodder who did nothing and deserve nothing to put them above namek saga Frieza, who the supreme kais can one shot. Just because a character exists in Super, does not make them stronger than everyone in Z
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ruler9871 wrote: SSJ1 Vegeta (DBS Broly) vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ1 Kale
SS2 Caulifla one shots.
Are you confusing Caulifla with Kefla? Because ssj2 Caulifla couldn't even one shot a tired base Goku who couldn't go ssj. She isn't one shoting Broly movie ssj Vegeta. I wouldn't even say it's debatable.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:28 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
ruler9871 wrote:
Tai Lung wrote:Next Battle

Kamikaze fireballs and team u2 VS supreme kais U7
8. Any U2 fighter solos
How? Some of them were fodder who did nothing and deserve nothing to put them above namek saga Frieza, who the supreme kais can one shot. Just because a character exists in Super, does not make them stronger than everyone in Z
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ruler9871 wrote: SSJ1 Vegeta (DBS Broly) vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ1 Kale
SS2 Caulifla one shots.
Are you confusing Caulifla with Kefla? Because ssj2 Caulifla couldn't even one shot a tired base Goku who couldn't go ssj. She isn't one shoting Broly movie ssj Vegeta. I wouldn't even say it's debatable.
That was a tournament where they can't kill.

Base Goku keeping up with Caulifla is explained in the episode. They are not on the same tier at all.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:19 pm

ZombieVito wrote: That was a tournament where they can't kill.
Base Goku keeping up with Caulifla is explained in the episode. They are not on the same tier at all.
Irrelevant, even initial ikari Broly is 100% stronger than ssj2 Caulifla and a stronger version couldn't one shot base Goku either, and was actually pushed by ssj Goku, and he wasn't holding back at all. Like I said, it's not debatable. You can argue ssj2 Caulifla can beat ssj Vegeta (even though I don't think she does), but you can't argue she one shots him as literally everything points against it.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ruler9871 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:35 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: That was a tournament where they can't kill.
Base Goku keeping up with Caulifla is explained in the episode. They are not on the same tier at all.
Irrelevant, even initial ikari Broly is 100% stronger than ssj2 Caulifla and a stronger version couldn't one shot base Goku either, and was actually pushed by ssj Goku, and he wasn't holding back at all. Like I said, it's not debatable. You can argue ssj2 Caulifla can beat ssj Vegeta (even though I don't think she does), but you can't argue she one shots him as literally everything points against it.
Not to mention all the power boost Goku & Vegeta throughout the ToP compared to everyone else. So if anything, its possible to argue that Base Vegeta in DBS Broly could beat SSJ2 Caulifla.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:44 pm

Hit (DBS Anime) (Against SSJB Vegeta) vs. Goku Black (DBS Anime) (Against FPSSJ2 Future Trunks) vs. Broly: BR (Beginning of his first fight with Vegeta).

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Post by ZombieVito » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:53 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: That was a tournament where they can't kill.
Base Goku keeping up with Caulifla is explained in the episode. They are not on the same tier at all.
Irrelevant, even initial ikari Broly is 100% stronger than ssj2 Caulifla and a stronger version couldn't one shot base Goku either, and was actually pushed by ssj Goku, and he wasn't holding back at all. Like I said, it's not debatable. You can argue ssj2 Caulifla can beat ssj Vegeta (even though I don't think she does), but you can't argue she one shots him as literally everything points against it.
Agree to disagree I guess.

SS2 Caulifla is a different tier than SS Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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ZombieVito wrote: Agree to disagree I guess.
So you think ssj2 Caulifla is stronger than ikari Broly? If you accept ikari Broly as stronger than ssj2 Caulifla, then you can't accept ssj2 Caulifla one shots ssj Vegeta unless you have cognitive dissonance.
SS2 Caulifla is a different tier than SS Vegeta.
Can you provide some evidence for your claim? As far as I've seen your only argument seems to be is she has a number 2 on the name of her form. And like someone else has mentioned Goku and Vegeta got stronger throughout the ToP and should be even stronger in the Broly movie, and have better feats than Caulifla in general.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ruler9871 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:30 pm

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ZombieVito wrote: Agree to disagree I guess.
So you think ssj2 Caulifla is stronger than ikari Broly? If you accept ikari Broly as stronger than ssj2 Caulifla, then you can't accept ssj2 Caulifla one shots ssj Vegeta unless you have cognitive dissonance.
SS2 Caulifla is a different tier than SS Vegeta.
Can you provide some evidence for your claim? As far as I've seen your only argument seems to be is she has a number 2 on the name of her form. And like someone else has mentioned Goku and Vegeta got stronger throughout the ToP and should be even stronger in the Broly movie, and have better feats than Caulifla in general.
He seems to be under the false assumption that transformations are fixed tiers of power, therefore a SSJ3 is always stronger than a SSJ1 for example. This has never been a thing in the series.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ruler9871 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:39 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:Hit (DBS Anime) (Against SSJB Vegeta) vs. Goku Black (DBS Anime) (Against FPSSJ2 Future Trunks) vs. Broly: BR (Beginning of his first fight with Vegeta).
Hit wins in this scenario
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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dragon boss z wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: Agree to disagree I guess.
So you think ssj2 Caulifla is stronger than ikari Broly? If you accept ikari Broly as stronger than ssj2 Caulifla, then you can't accept ssj2 Caulifla one shots ssj Vegeta unless you have cognitive dissonance.
SS2 Caulifla is a different tier than SS Vegeta.
Can you provide some evidence for your claim? As far as I've seen your only argument seems to be is she has a number 2 on the name of her form. And like someone else has mentioned Goku and Vegeta got stronger throughout the ToP and should be even stronger in the Broly movie, and have better feats than Caulifla in general.
Goku and Vegeta were never stated to get stronger on their regular forms during the ToP. They only got stronger forms (MUI, UIO and SSBE).

Caulifla was already close enough to Goku on their SS2 forms and the Broly movie is less than 2 months after the ToP so Goku/Vegeta couldn't have gotten considerably stronger. SS2 Caulfila is almost twice as strong as SS Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ruler9871 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:22 am

ZombieVito wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: Agree to disagree I guess.
So you think ssj2 Caulifla is stronger than ikari Broly? If you accept ikari Broly as stronger than ssj2 Caulifla, then you can't accept ssj2 Caulifla one shots ssj Vegeta unless you have cognitive dissonance.
SS2 Caulifla is a different tier than SS Vegeta.
Can you provide some evidence for your claim? As far as I've seen your only argument seems to be is she has a number 2 on the name of her form. And like someone else has mentioned Goku and Vegeta got stronger throughout the ToP and should be even stronger in the Broly movie, and have better feats than Caulifla in general.
Goku and Vegeta were never stated to get stronger on their regular forms during the ToP. They only got stronger forms (MUI, UIO and SSBE).

Caulifla was already close enough to Goku on their SS2 forms and the Broly movie is less than 2 months after the ToP so Goku/Vegeta couldn't have gotten considerably stronger. SS2 Caulfila is almost twice as strong as SS Vegeta.
This doesn't make any sense. You are forgeting that ALL transformations in DB (except Ultimate/Mystic Gohan) are basically multipliers of a person's base power, not isolated sets of power. So if a character appears stronger in a certain form than previously, then logically that means that their base forms got stronger (since thats basically the root of their power) as well. That's just how it works.

Goku (after using UI 2 more times) and Vegeta (after ep.122 and getting a pride boost from the Toppo fight) should be able to stomp the likes of SSJ2 Caulifla/Cabba and Present Zamasu in just their base forms by now. There's nothing to suggest that isn't so.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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ruler9871 wrote: This doesn't make any sense. You are forgeting that ALL transformations in DB (except Ultimate/Mystic Gohan) are basically multipliers of a person's base power, not isolated sets of power. So if a character appears stronger in a certain form than previously, then logically that means that their base forms got stronger (since thats basically the root of their power) as well. That's just how it works.

Goku (after using UI 2 more times) and Vegeta (after ep.122 and getting a pride boost from the Toppo fight) should be able to stomp the likes of SSJ2 Caulifla/Cabba and Present Zamasu in just their base forms by now. There's nothing to suggest that isn't so.
No sorry. No statement was made they got stronger. They just got stronger forms or rage boosts like in E126.

SSB Gogeta not being dimensions apart from Vegetto Blue pretty much proves they haven't gotten significantly stronger since the end of the Black arc.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ruler9871 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:18 am

ZombieVito wrote:
ruler9871 wrote: This doesn't make any sense. You are forgeting that ALL transformations in DB (except Ultimate/Mystic Gohan) are basically multipliers of a person's base power, not isolated sets of power. So if a character appears stronger in a certain form than previously, then logically that means that their base forms got stronger (since thats basically the root of their power) as well. That's just how it works.

Goku (after using UI 2 more times) and Vegeta (after ep.122 and getting a pride boost from the Toppo fight) should be able to stomp the likes of SSJ2 Caulifla/Cabba and Present Zamasu in just their base forms by now. There's nothing to suggest that isn't so.
No sorry. No statement was made they got stronger. They just got stronger forms or rage boosts like in E126.

SSB Gogeta not being dimensions apart from Vegetto Blue pretty much proves they haven't gotten significantly stronger since the end of the Black arc.
There were multiple feats and statements of Goku and Vegeta getting stronger throughout the ToP. You are being in denial. If their bases didn't get stronger then their transformations wouldn't have gotten stronger either (because they are multipliers of their bases). It that simple. Why else do you think each UI Omen was stronger than the last (despite the form itself never changing)? Hell, the fatigue SSJ2 Goku that fought Caulifla & Kale was stated and shown to be much stronger than the full stamina SSJ2 Goku from the 1st half of the ToP arc.

And where was it ever stated that SSB Gogeta in the Broly film = SSB Vegito in the Black arc (which doesn't make any sense and isnt supported by anything)? The only thing that guide said was that Metamorian Fusion & Potara are equally powerful.

Black arc SSB Vegito is weaker than any version of SSBE Vegeta & Current SSBKKx20 Goku, while Current SSB Gogeta is above Beerus and possibly Jiren too. Obviously not equal.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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ruler9871 wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:
ruler9871 wrote: This doesn't make any sense. You are forgeting that ALL transformations in DB (except Ultimate/Mystic Gohan) are basically multipliers of a person's base power, not isolated sets of power. So if a character appears stronger in a certain form than previously, then logically that means that their base forms got stronger (since thats basically the root of their power) as well. That's just how it works.

Goku (after using UI 2 more times) and Vegeta (after ep.122 and getting a pride boost from the Toppo fight) should be able to stomp the likes of SSJ2 Caulifla/Cabba and Present Zamasu in just their base forms by now. There's nothing to suggest that isn't so.
No sorry. No statement was made they got stronger. They just got stronger forms or rage boosts like in E126.

SSB Gogeta not being dimensions apart from Vegetto Blue pretty much proves they haven't gotten significantly stronger since the end of the Black arc.
There were multiple feats and statements of Goku and Vegeta getting stronger throughout the ToP. You are being in denial. If their bases didn't get stronger then their transformations wouldn't have gotten stronger either (because they are multipliers of their bases). It that simple. Why else do you think each UI Omen was stronger than the last (despite the form itself never changing)? Hell, the fatigue SSJ2 Goku that fought Caulifla & Kale was stated and shown to be much stronger than the full stamina SSJ2 Goku from the 1st half of the ToP arc.

And where was it ever stated that SSB Gogeta in the Broly film = SSB Vegito in the Black arc (which doesn't make any sense and isnt supported by anything)? The only thing that guide said was that Metamorian Fusion & Potara are equally powerful.

Black arc SSB Vegito is weaker than any version of SSBE Vegeta & Current SSBKKx20 Goku, while Current SSB Gogeta is above Beerus and possibly Jiren too. Obviously not equal.
I'm perfectly fine with what you say, ruler.
Bm gogeta=ft arc vegeta makes absolutely no sense.
In the first place, goku and vegeta's base power had grown a lot in between future trunks arc and the tournament of power, possibly to the point that ssbkk20 goku (top) and ssb vegetto(ft arc) are in the same tier of power, then they got a lot powerful during the top.
Ssb goku (post aniraza) not being knocked out by jiren's punch, that goku himself described as the most powerful hit he has withstood, makes jiren's punch > ssj kefla's punch and genkidama, who both had knocked out goku .
That would make goku (episode 122) at least x60 stronger than his early top counterpart ,in oorder to withstand a punch stronger than the genkidama that knocked him out before (obviously, giving for granted that both kefla's punch and the genkidama are quantifiable as 50x goku blue [genkidama being 2,5x ssb goku plus kaioken x20, that makes a total of 50x goku blue])
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How strong would a fusion between Gohan and Vegeta, otherwise known as Vegehan, be? (Buu Arc)
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Post by dragon boss z » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:32 am

ZombieVito wrote: Goku and Vegeta were never stated to get stronger on their regular forms during the ToP. They only got stronger forms (MUI, UIO and SSBE).
I don’t think Caulifla was ever as strong as Goku or Vegeta, so it really doesn’t matter if they got stronger or not imo.
Caulifla was already close enough to Goku on their SS2 forms and the Broly movie is less than 2 months after the ToP so Goku/Vegeta couldn't have gotten considerably stronger. SS2 Caulfila is almost twice as strong as SS Vegeta.
A 2x strength difference isn’t enough to one shot. Like I said, if Ikari Broly can’t even one shot base Goku, there is no logical way ssj2 Caulifla is one shotting ssj Vegeta.

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Post by ZombieVito » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:49 pm

ruler9871 wrote: There were multiple feats and statements of Goku and Vegeta getting stronger throughout the ToP. You are being in denial. If their bases didn't get stronger then their transformations wouldn't have gotten stronger either (because they are multipliers of their bases). It that simple. Why else do you think each UI Omen was stronger than the last (despite the form itself never changing)? Hell, the fatigue SSJ2 Goku that fought Caulifla & Kale was stated and shown to be much stronger than the full stamina SSJ2 Goku from the 1st half of the ToP arc.

And where was it ever stated that SSB Gogeta in the Broly film = SSB Vegito in the Black arc (which doesn't make any sense and isnt supported by anything)? The only thing that guide said was that Metamorian Fusion & Potara are equally powerful.

Black arc SSB Vegito is weaker than any version of SSBE Vegeta & Current SSBKKx20 Goku, while Current SSB Gogeta is above Beerus and possibly Jiren too. Obviously not equal.
UIO got stronger beacuse Goku unlocked more and more power of the form until it reached the max and mastered it.

No statement was made they got stronger. Only that they got stronger forms. I suggest you watch E113 again because no such statement about Goku was said. He kept up with Caulifla by skill alone.

I never said SSB Gogeta = Vegetto Blue. SSBE Vegeta and SSBKKx20 can't be stronger than Vegetto Blue since they haven't surpassed Beerus with those forms.
dragon boss z wrote: 2x strength difference isn’t enough to one shot. Like I said, if Ikari Broly can’t even one shot base Goku, there is no logical way ssj2 Caulifla is one shotting ssj Vegeta.
Vegeta one shotted Cui with less of a gap.

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