The manga and the anime are two different things as of now. In the anime continuity we never saw said battle with all 12 gods. Just a sparring match with three of them. Even then, they didn’t go all out.TobyS wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:59 amHe saw Beerus fight all the other gods in the top demo thing.Berserker1921 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:35 pmTobyS wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:50 am
GOKU did say he is (might be?) Stronger than Beerus. And Even if we assume Jiren is stronger than all the gods incl. Beerus it's not miles more, yet Bluegeta stomped Broly with ease, so it's fair to assume Bluegeta could take Jiren just with slightly less ease.
Alternately Jiren is bit stronger than all Gods, and Beerus is not one he is stronger then in which case it's easy.
UI > Bluegeta > Jiren>=<Broly
Goku isn’t a reliable person. He has never seen Beerus at his max. If it was Whis who claimed this, then I would put more stock into what he said. Whis did train Beerus, Goku and Vegeta. So until said otherwise, I give it to Jiren. Since he was the only person to push Goku and Vegeta to reach new heights of power. If Broly was that dangerous, Goku would have used ultra instinct against him. Until dbs returns and redoes this movie and fixing the scaling. Jiren is stronger than Broly and Gogeta Blue. By a decent estimate.
I personally see it like this
MUI Goku>=<LB Jiren>Jiren 100%>=<Gogeta Blue>FP Broly
They’re are three continuities out there. Anime, Movie (Toriyama), and Manga. Each one similar, each one different. Each one is canon. I rely mostly on the anime, as of now. Since it flows better. We haven’t seen a Broly saga in the anime. Remember the anime, really, really buffs the characters and fights. In the original BoG, Beerus used 70% of his power to beat Goku. In the anime, it was implied that he used way less then that. So to be honest, just based off feats, I am giving it to Jiren as the second strongest mortal character. Until, the anime returns and re-does the Broly movie.