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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:17 am

-New Fights-

1. Pikkon vs Ssj Gohan (saiyanman arc)?

2. Copy SsjB Vegeta and Ssj rose Black (1st time) vs SsjB Goku (ToP)?

3. Vegito Blue (ToP) vs GoD Toppo?

4. Light Speed Dyspo vs SsjB Vegeta (U6)?

5. Golden Frieza (Broly) vs Base Gogeta (Broly)?

6. Hiderdrugan vs Super Buu (no absorbing)?

7. Hit (ToP) vs FP Ssj Rose Black (end of the arc)?

8. 17 vs Ssj Broly?

9. Jiren 110 vs Ssj Kefla?

10. Old Moro vs Base Toppo?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:49 am

Berserker1921 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:17 am
-New Fights-

1. Pikkon vs Ssj Gohan (saiyanman arc)?

2. Copy SsjB Vegeta and Ssj rose Black (1st time) vs SsjB Goku (ToP)?

3. Vegito Blue (ToP) vs GoD Toppo?

4. Light Speed Dyspo vs SsjB Vegeta (U6)?

5. Golden Frieza (Broly) vs Base Gogeta (Broly)?

6. Hiderdrugan vs Super Buu (no absorbing)?

7. Hit (ToP) vs FP Ssj Rose Black (end of the arc)?

8. 17 vs Ssj Broly?

9. Jiren 110 vs Ssj Kefla?

10. Old Moro vs Base Toppo?
1- That's a tough one. Goku and Pikkon were evenly matched with Pikkon slightly stronger, and peak SS Gohan was stronger than them, but 7 years later he's been slacking so they might be on par. It would go something like Pikkon having the edge due to his expertise and skills and SS Gohan depending on some great ultimate blast. It could go either way, IMO, but I'll say Gohan.

2-The team. SSB Goku shouldn't be much stronger than his FT arc self, at best he can take on Black alone but he would be doomed if Copy SSB Vegeta joins the fight. Early ToP SSB Goku of course, Mid ToP SSB Goku wins.

3- Vegito Blue. To me, he forces Jiren to the max but without auto-dodge, like Omen Goku, he goes down. Hakaishin Toppo is a piece of cake.

4- LS Dyspo gave ToP Golden Freeza a run for his money, he can take U6 SSB Vegeta.

5- I'm going with Golden Freeza. Even if Freeza was battered and Gogeta dodged most of SS Broly's attacks, I think that was because Freeza went head on with Broly and Gogeta just flew away to avoid that and as soon as he could he went SS.

6- Ultimate Gohan goes down heavy against Hirudegan, so Super Buu shouldn't be a problem. Even if Gohan isn't training so hard and has dropped his peak ultimate form, shouldn't be that much weaker than against Buu.

7- Hit wins even though being weaker, Black isn't that strong to make Hit's skillset obsolet like Jiren did.

8- SS Broly stomps.

9- 110 Jiren probaby can withstand whatever SS Kefla throws his way.

10- Base Toppo not fooling around wins. If he stalls like at the ToP then he gets drained and loses.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:35 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:17 am
-New Fights-

1. Pikkon vs Ssj Gohan (saiyanman arc)?

2. Copy SsjB Vegeta and Ssj rose Black (1st time) vs SsjB Goku (ToP)?

3. Vegito Blue (ToP) vs GoD Toppo?

4. Light Speed Dyspo vs SsjB Vegeta (U6)?

5. Golden Frieza (Broly) vs Base Gogeta (Broly)?

6. Hiderdrugan vs Super Buu (no absorbing)?

7. Hit (ToP) vs FP Ssj Rose Black (end of the arc)?

8. 17 vs Ssj Broly?

9. Jiren 110 vs Ssj Kefla?

10. Old Moro vs Base Toppo?

- If this was Ssj Teen Gohan then I'd have no doubts, but his weaken adult version gets absolutely schooled by Pikkon.

- Well, this Goku can use KK up until 20x. Stomps hard.

- Vegito hands down.

- Dyspo hands down.

- Base Gogeta did better than him, it's shown in the movie.

- Well, Hirudegarn literally crushed Ultimate Gohan like an ant. Though I don't know if he can overcome Buu's regeneration. In this case, they fight for eternity (Buu can't absorb him).

- Goku Black surely knows about Hit's Time Skip, but he knows nothing about his killing techniques. And since he does not have any plot armor like Goku did in that little arc, Black is killed where he stands.

- Poor 17, gets crushed. :D

- Well this Jiren eyed SsjB KKx20 Goku, while Kefla ko'ed a much weaker version of him. Plus, she wasn't strong enough to interest Jiren.

- Either Toppo kills him quickly or his power gets stolen and ends up getting killed himself.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:39 pm

These got forgotten in the previous page:
-Post EoZ Pan vs Post EoZ Bra (trained by Vegeta in order to make a fighter out of her)
-DBS Teenage Broly (around post Piccolo Daimaoh-pre 23rd TB) vs Cooler
-DBS Ohzaru Broly (Saiyan arc) vs King Cold
-Beets vs Ma Jr.
-Namek FF 100% Freeza vs Kid Jiren after losing Gicchin
-DBS Base Broly vs Kid Buu

-Super Buu(can't absorb) vs SS3 Goku(dead) + Majin SS2 Vegeta + SS2 Gohan (post Dabura, pre Z-Sword)
-SS2 Gohan that got his energy stolen by Yamu vs Present Zamasu
-SS2 Gohan (after Z-Sword but before it broke) vs Angry Fat Buu (that "killed" Vegeta)
-SS3 Gotenks(from Z, not the movie) vs Janemba

The androids appear in the island Trunks spoke about, but is just Android 16
-Android 16 vs SS Goku (no heart disease) SS Vegeta and SS Trunks

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by sunsetshimmer » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:34 am

Koitsukai wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:39 pm
These got forgotten in the previous page:
-Post EoZ Pan vs Post EoZ Bra (trained by Vegeta in order to make a fighter out of her)
-DBS Teenage Broly (around post Piccolo Daimaoh-pre 23rd TB) vs Cooler
-DBS Ohzaru Broly (Saiyan arc) vs King Cold
-Beets vs Ma Jr.
-Namek FF 100% Freeza vs Kid Jiren after losing Gicchin
-DBS Base Broly vs Kid Buu

-Super Buu(can't absorb) vs SS3 Goku(dead) + Majin SS2 Vegeta + SS2 Gohan (post Dabura, pre Z-Sword)
-SS2 Gohan that got his energy stolen by Yamu vs Present Zamasu
-SS2 Gohan (after Z-Sword but before it broke) vs Angry Fat Buu (that "killed" Vegeta)
-SS3 Gotenks(from Z, not the movie) vs Janemba

The androids appear in the island Trunks spoke about, but is just Android 16
-Android 16 vs SS Goku (no heart disease) SS Vegeta and SS Trunks
-EoZ Pan wrecks. Her parents and grandparents were all fighters and she displayed a lot of natural talent in all series she appeared in.
-Cooler one shots
-Broly probably
-No idea who Beets is lol
-No idea, probably Frieza
-DBS Broly beats him although it's hard to say if he could actually KILL him. This moron is too dumb to think about destroying all of Buu's cells.
-Goku, Vegeta and Gohan
-Probably Zamasu
-Buu
-Janemba wrecks
-#16 one shots all of them
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:28 pm

sunsetshimmer wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:34 am
Koitsukai wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:39 pm
These got forgotten in the previous page:
-Post EoZ Pan vs Post EoZ Bra (trained by Vegeta in order to make a fighter out of her)
-DBS Teenage Broly (around post Piccolo Daimaoh-pre 23rd TB) vs Cooler
-DBS Ohzaru Broly (Saiyan arc) vs King Cold
-Beets vs Ma Jr.
-Namek FF 100% Freeza vs Kid Jiren after losing Gicchin
-DBS Base Broly vs Kid Buu

-Super Buu(can't absorb) vs SS3 Goku(dead) + Majin SS2 Vegeta + SS2 Gohan (post Dabura, pre Z-Sword)
-SS2 Gohan that got his energy stolen by Yamu vs Present Zamasu
-SS2 Gohan (after Z-Sword but before it broke) vs Angry Fat Buu (that "killed" Vegeta)
-SS3 Gotenks(from Z, not the movie) vs Janemba

The androids appear in the island Trunks spoke about, but is just Android 16
-Android 16 vs SS Goku (no heart disease) SS Vegeta and SS Trunks
-EoZ Pan wrecks. Her parents and grandparents were all fighters and she displayed a lot of natural talent in all series she appeared in.
-Cooler one shots
-Broly probably
-No idea who Beets is lol
-No idea, probably Frieza
-DBS Broly beats him although it's hard to say if he could actually KILL him. This moron is too dumb to think about destroying all of Buu's cells.
-Goku, Vegeta and Gohan
-Probably Zamasu
-Buu
-Janemba wrecks
-#16 one shots all of them
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GatoF » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:34 am

Gohan battles:

1. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Ssjrage Trunks(no sword)
2. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Super Janemba(movie)
3. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Piccolo(Black arc)
4. Ssj2 Gohan(ToP) vs Ssj2 Cabba(ToP)
5. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) and Piccolo(ToP) vs Berserker Kale(ToP) and Ssj2 Caulifla(ToP)
6. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Hit(U6 arc)
7. Ssj2 Teen Gohan(Cell) vs Ssj2 Vegeta(pre-majin boost)
8. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Early ToP Ssj3 Goku(Can go until SsjG during the fight)
9. SSJ1 Future Gohan(two arms) vs Android 19 and Android 20
10. Kid Gohan(Ginyu arc) vs Base Vegeta(Saiyan arc)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:49 am

GatoF wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:34 am
Gohan battles:

1. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Ssjrage Trunks(no sword)
2. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Super Janemba(movie)
3. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Piccolo(Black arc)
4. Ssj2 Gohan(ToP) vs Ssj2 Cabba(ToP)
5. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) and Piccolo(ToP) vs Berserker Kale(ToP) and Ssj2 Caulifla(ToP)
6. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Hit(U6 arc)
7. Ssj2 Teen Gohan(Cell) vs Ssj2 Vegeta(pre-majin boost)
8. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Early ToP Ssj3 Goku(Can go until SsjG during the fight)
9. SSJ1 Future Gohan(two arms) vs Android 19 and Android 20
10. Kid Gohan(Ginyu arc) vs Base Vegeta(Saiyan arc)
1. Trunks wins after a tough battle. Personally, I have Gohan at a high Ssj god tier. While trunks is low SsjB level. But it can go either way, I personally have Trunks win. Because, I fee he is more determined of the two.

2. Janemba, mid-difficulty. Janemeba is at best Buuhan level.

3. Gohan, slaughters. Piccolo is probably around low- ssj3 level. Gohan was way above that back then.

4. Gohan, mid-difficulty.

5. The girls over power him, piccolo is the weak link. While I feel Gohan is stronger than the two individually. They over power him, once piccolo is out.

6. Hit slaughters. Hit is a high ssjgod to low SsjB with hax abilities. He kills Gohan, before he figures out what happened.

7. Vegeta, high-difficulty. It was implied that after he got the majin boost that he was above Gohan from back then. So, I’d say before hand he is about his level. But he wins, due to experience.

8. I don’t know. Maybe Goku?

9. Gohan, massacres the two. It was stated that Gohan was stronger than his father. After the two spent a year in the chamber.

10. Gohan, with mid-difficulty. Gohan was in his idk 50-70’s thousands, at that point? He can win if he takes it Vegeta quickly. But if Vegeta uses his great ape form, the kid is gone.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:43 pm

GatoF wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:34 am
Gohan battles:

1. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Ssjrage Trunks(no sword)
2. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Super Janemba(movie)
3. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Piccolo(Black arc)
4. Ssj2 Gohan(ToP) vs Ssj2 Cabba(ToP)
5. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) and Piccolo(ToP) vs Berserker Kale(ToP) and Ssj2 Caulifla(ToP)
6. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Hit(U6 arc)
7. Ssj2 Teen Gohan(Cell) vs Ssj2 Vegeta(pre-majin boost)
8. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Early ToP Ssj3 Goku(Can go until SsjG during the fight)
9. SSJ1 Future Gohan(two arms) vs Android 19 and Android 20
10. Kid Gohan(Ginyu arc) vs Base Vegeta(Saiyan arc)
1- I'm going with SSR Trunks. He did put Black Rose in trouble, while Gohan wasn't a match against Toppo or Golden Freeza. Not a stomp though.
2- Gohan without breaking a sweat. SS3 Goku wasn't that much weaker than Janemba, whom I place below Super Buu.
3- DBS non-main characters PL are all over the place, but I don't think Piccolo could train and become strong enough to overpower high tier Buu arc characters.
4- Gohan.
5- U7 team wins. The girl team couldn't take a tired SSgod Goku, while Gohan beat up Dyspo who gave non-tired SSGod some trouble.
6- Hit without much problem.
7- Probably Vegeta. He sort of had the edge against SS2 Goku who was stronger than SS2 Teen Gohan, so I think even if they are evenly matched, Vegeta would come out victorious.
8- Ultimate Gohan should take this without a problem, even if Goku goes God, I'm thinking Gohan too.
9-Gohan. The fat and the old guy weren't that much of a threat.
10- Gohan. After he got his potential unlocked by Saichoro, Vegeta confused him with Goku, implying he had a power similar to saiyan arc Goku, around 20.000, similar to Vegeta... and in mid-battle Gohan tends to get angry and break his limits, so I'll give it to Gohan.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:31 pm

GatoF wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:34 am
Gohan battles:

1. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Ssjrage Trunks(no sword)
2. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Super Janemba(movie)
3. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Piccolo(Black arc)
4. Ssj2 Gohan(ToP) vs Ssj2 Cabba(ToP)
5. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) and Piccolo(ToP) vs Berserker Kale(ToP) and Ssj2 Caulifla(ToP)
6. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Hit(U6 arc)
7. Ssj2 Teen Gohan(Cell) vs Ssj2 Vegeta(pre-majin boost)
8. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Early ToP Ssj3 Goku(Can go until SsjG during the fight)
9. SSJ1 Future Gohan(two arms) vs Android 19 and Android 20
10. Kid Gohan(Ginyu arc) vs Base Vegeta(Saiyan arc)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:14 pm

New Fights

I will be using some Hypothetical controlled Ozaru forms for some saiyans. The form that Broly used during his movie. For short I will say CO for short. And let’s say for the sake of an argument, they can control it.

1. CO Ssj2 Vegeta (Buu) vs Super Buu?

2. CO ssj Vegeta (Cell) vs Super Perfect Cell?

3. KKx20 Goku (namek) vs CO Vegeta (namek, before death)?

4. SsjRage Trunks (spirit sword) vs SsjBroly?

5. CO Broly vs Ssj Kefla?

6. Gohan (ToP) vs SsjR Black (first encounter)?

7. Aniraza, Ssj2 Kefla, and GoD Toppo vs 100% Jiren?

8. 17 vs Hit (ToP)?

9. Buuhan vs Janemba and Hiderdrugan? (No absorbing)

10. Gogeta Blue (Dbs broly) vs 12 GoDs? (He can’t rest between fights, he goes from weakest to strongest, no time limits or any other transformations. How many does he take out, before being taken down?)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:23 am

Berserker1921 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:14 pm
New Fights

I will be using some Hypothetical controlled Ozaru forms for some saiyans. The form that Broly used during his movie. For short I will say CO for short. And let’s say for the sake of an argument, they can control it.

1. CO Ssj2 Vegeta (Buu) vs Super Buu?

2. CO ssj Vegeta (Cell) vs Super Perfect Cell?

3. KKx20 Goku (namek) vs CO Vegeta (namek, before death)?

4. SsjRage Trunks (spirit sword) vs SsjBroly?

5. CO Broly vs Ssj Kefla?

6. Gohan (ToP) vs SsjR Black (first encounter)?

7. Aniraza, Ssj2 Kefla, and GoD Toppo vs 100% Jiren?

8. 17 vs Hit (ToP)?

9. Buuhan vs Janemba and Hiderdrugan? (No absorbing)

10. Gogeta Blue (Dbs broly) vs 12 GoDs? (He can’t rest between fights, he goes from weakest to strongest, no time limits or any other transformations. How many does he take out, before being taken down?)
1- It's at least a 10x boost(maybe more for Broly) on top of his SS2, SS3 is 4x stronger than SS2, so Vegeta wins.

2- Vegeta should have this one too.

3- Goku. Even if I give Vegeta a 20x boost, he is still weaker than Goku in base.

4- SS Broly without even trying

5- SS Kefla.

6- Black got a couple of zenkais after showcasing his Rose transformation, so maybe Gohan has a real chance.

7- Jiren took out stronger characters without even resorting to his 100% power.

8- 17 is no match for the time skip

9- Buuhan after a tough and long fight.

10- If we assume Broly IS stronger than Beerus even by a little bit, then probably all of them go down. Beerus seems to be one of the strongest, so if he wouldn't even be able to touch Gogeta, a much stronger hakaishin(Belmond? Quitela? Jin?) would be needed to be on par or to actually take him. It depends on how strong you wanna place Beerus, if he is mid tier then probably Gogeta meets his match around the 8th or 9th GoD.
I place Beerus like 3rd or 4th, so in my headcanon I'd say he goes down against Final Boss Strongest Hakaishin Jin who receives a Gogeta Blue that ran himself into some trouble against Belmond but managed to survive without great repercussions. Maybe he'd win this one too if he hadn't fought 11 GoDs in a row.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:02 pm

Basgamonder (3-way fusion of the Trio de Dangers' Basil, Bergamo, and Lavender) vs. Hit.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:11 pm

I just realized we never did come to a conclusion about the base Saiyans' strength no matter what the era lol

New Fights

1. Base Goku (Buu Arc) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
2. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
3. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Fat Majin Buu
4. Base Goku (Universe 6 Arc) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
6. Base Cabba VS Fat Majin Buu

Of course, feel free to DM or jump into the Power Levels thread for detailed discussions.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:03 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:02 pm
Basgamonder (3-way fusion of the Trio de Dangers' Basil, Bergamo, and Lavender) vs. Hit.
Hit. I don't see that dog fusion being strong enough to overcome the time skip or his hitman skillset.
DBZ Macky wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:11 pm
I just realized we never did come to a conclusion about the base Saiyans' strength no matter what the era lol

New Fights

1. Base Goku (Buu Arc) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
2. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
3. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Fat Majin Buu
4. Base Goku (Universe 6 Arc) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
6. Base Cabba VS Fat Majin Buu

Of course, feel free to DM or jump into the Power Levels thread for detailed discussions.
1- Piccolo. Z Goku still needs SS to face Cell Games tier characters.

2- Goku destroys Piccolo now.

3- Goku takes out Buu without a problem.

4- SS Cabba. Even if SS Cabba was no match for SS Vegeta, I think he takes Base Vegeta for a ride. Assuming Goku and Vegeta are equals, of course.

5- Well, a tired Goku did pretty well against SS2 Caulifla, a well-rested ToP Goku shouldn't have a problem with SS Cabba.

6- I think Cabba. He fared better against Base Vegeta than SS3 Gotenks. Though I believe DBS Gotenks isn't as strong as in the Buu arc, I think he should still remain stronger than Fat Buu.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:31 am

DBZ Macky wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:11 pm
I just realized we never did come to a conclusion about the base Saiyans' strength no matter what the era lol

New Fights

1. Base Goku (Buu Arc) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
2. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
3. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Fat Majin Buu
4. Base Goku (Universe 6 Arc) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
6. Base Cabba VS Fat Majin Buu

Of course, feel free to DM or jump into the Power Levels thread for detailed discussions.
- BOG Base Goku is weaker than Namek FP Freeza. So...
- Well, here Goku ko's him in an instant.
- Goku.
- Cabba.
- Still Cabba.
- Buu.

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Post by DBZ Macky » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:45 pm

I appreciate the response Koitsukai and Zamasu55!

I see no issues with most of the matchups, but I'm not so sure about this one:
Zamasu55 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:31 am
DBZ Macky wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:11 pm
5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
- Still Cabba.
We see Base Vegeta push away Monna easily with a single Ki Blast, while Cabba was no match for her until he went Super Saiyan 2. Also, Goku was fighting on par with Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla in his Base form later.

Whether you believe Goku/Vegeta were stronger than Cabba in the U6 Tournament or not, it seems pretty evident to me that they're much stronger than the U6 Saiyans in the Tournament of Power.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:15 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:45 pm
I appreciate the response Koitsukai and Zamasu55!

I see no issues with most of the matchups, but I'm not so sure about this one:
Zamasu55 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:31 am
DBZ Macky wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:11 pm
5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
- Still Cabba.
We see Base Vegeta push away Monna easily with a single Ki Blast, while Cabba was no match for her until he went Super Saiyan 2. Also, Goku was fighting on par with Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla in his Base form later.

Whether you believe Goku/Vegeta were stronger than Cabba in the U6 Tournament or not, it seems pretty evident to me that they're much stronger than the U6 Saiyans in the Tournament of Power.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:37 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:45 pm
I appreciate the response Koitsukai and Zamasu55!

I see no issues with most of the matchups, but I'm not so sure about this one:
Zamasu55 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:31 am
DBZ Macky wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:11 pm
5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
- Still Cabba.
We see Base Vegeta push away Monna easily with a single Ki Blast, while Cabba was no match for her until he went Super Saiyan 2. Also, Goku was fighting on par with Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla in his Base form later.

Whether you believe Goku/Vegeta were stronger than Cabba in the U6 Tournament or not, it seems pretty evident to me that they're much stronger than the U6 Saiyans in the Tournament of Power.
I assumed Cabba and Caulifla are in the same realm, nothing implies one is leagues above the other, therefore if Base Goku while tired, found a way to deal with a 100x stronger Caulifla, he should have less trouble against a 50x stronger Cabba.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:31 am

DBZ Macky wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:11 pm
I just realized we never did come to a conclusion about the base Saiyans' strength no matter what the era lol

New Fights

1. Base Goku (Buu Arc) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
2. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Piccolo (Cell Games)
3. Base Goku (Revival of F) VS Fat Majin Buu
4. Base Goku (Universe 6 Arc) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc)
6. Base Cabba VS Fat Majin Buu

Of course, feel free to DM or jump into the Power Levels thread for detailed discussions.
1. Goku is weaker than Freeza in Base, so Piccolo one shots him.
2. Goku kept up with a revived Freeza, who even in his first form killed Piccolo. Piccolo is hopeless here.
3. Goku still wins. He can probably take even Gohan-Boo, let alone Fat Boo.
4. Vegeta and Cabba were comparable in base, so Goku, Vegeta’s rival, isn’t touching SSJ Cabba.
5. Goku might have gotten better, but I’m not sure if by 50x times. Cabba still wins.
6. Cabba.
Berserker1921 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:14 pm
New Fights

I will be using some Hypothetical controlled Ozaru forms for some saiyans. The form that Broly used during his movie. For short I will say CO for short. And let’s say for the sake of an argument, they can control it.

1. CO Ssj2 Vegeta (Buu) vs Super Buu?

2. CO ssj Vegeta (Cell) vs Super Perfect Cell?

3. KKx20 Goku (namek) vs CO Vegeta (namek, before death)?

4. SsjRage Trunks (spirit sword) vs SsjBroly?

5. CO Broly vs Ssj Kefla?

6. Gohan (ToP) vs SsjR Black (first encounter)?

7. Aniraza, Ssj2 Kefla, and GoD Toppo vs 100% Jiren?

8. 17 vs Hit (ToP)?

9. Buuhan vs Janemba and Hiderdrugan? (No absorbing)

10. Gogeta Blue (Dbs broly) vs 12 GoDs? (He can’t rest between fights, he goes from weakest to strongest, no time limits or any other transformations. How many does he take out, before being taken down?)
1. Boo is comparable to SSJ3 Gotenks who was superior to SSJ3 Goku in base. So a 10x power up isn’t closing this hundred fold gap.

2. Cell probably stomps via scaling.

3. Well Goku was much stronger than Vegeta is equal forms and he’s got twice the power up Vegeta got here, so he obviously stomps.

4. Broly. Trunks ain’t nothing by this point in the series with all the rapid progress and adaptations in the ToP.

5. I think Broly

6. Gohan stomps. Black got insanely stronger throughout the arc but his power is insignificant by the ToP.

7. Jiren handwaves them all away.

8. Hit through his assassin techniques.

9. Either of them solos Gohan-Boo with ease.

10. I think he goes pretty far since there’s quite a gap between most Hakaishins, but he’s definitely not clearing. Perhaps he can take half of them?
GatoF wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:34 am
Gohan battles:

1. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Ssjrage Trunks(no sword)
2. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Super Janemba(movie)
3. Ultimate Gohan(Buu arc) vs Piccolo(Black arc)
4. Ssj2 Gohan(ToP) vs Ssj2 Cabba(ToP)
5. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) and Piccolo(ToP) vs Berserker Kale(ToP) and Ssj2 Caulifla(ToP)
6. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Hit(U6 arc)
7. Ssj2 Teen Gohan(Cell) vs Ssj2 Vegeta(pre-majin boost)
8. Ultimate Gohan(ToP) vs Early ToP Ssj3 Goku(Can go until SsjG during the fight)
9. SSJ1 Future Gohan(two arms) vs Android 19 and Android 20
10. Kid Gohan(Ginyu arc) vs Base Vegeta(Saiyan arc)
1. Probably Gohan.
2. Janemba stomps. Goku in this movie is stronger than Gohan given how his power up shakes the Afterlife, and he got bodied by Janemba.
3. Piccolo stomps. Keeping up with Frost is no small feat, specially when he’s above Base Saiyans who can probably solo Z.
4. By SSJ2 Gohan I suppose you mean Exhibition Match Gohan? He gets stomped. Don’t see his going very far even in the Boo Arc.
5. The girls overpower them. Kale is probably too strong for Gohan to handle, and Piccolo ain’t much for Caulifla.
6. Gohan is too strong for Hit’s techniques to work on him.
7. Gohan wins. This is Gohan at the peak of his abilities, so Vegeta’s fighting ability isn’t closing the gap between them.
8. Gohan, easily.
9. Gohan is much stronger than the duo, but I don’t think he can handle their absorbtions abilities.
10. Gohan was beating up Ginyu-Goku who was comparable to Zarbon in power, so he beats Vegeta without much trouble.
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