Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
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Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
It's something I was thinking about the other day. Would it work, or is their bond too strange a thing for Shenlong to deal with?
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Re: Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
I thought about this too. I'm not so sure about Shenlong, but I think Porunga could.
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How exactly, they are the same soul/spirit, whatever you call, just split in two bodies, there is no way anyone could meddle with that, it is the same as the cyborgs-into-humans deal
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I suspect something like this is the case. They're a single soul occupying two different bodies. Hence why when one dies, the other just kind of fades away, as though they're being pulled away into the afterlife along with them.Gohaz wrote:How exactly, they are the same soul/spirit, whatever you call, just split in two bodies, there is no way anyone could meddle with that, it is the same as the cyborgs-into-humans deal
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Re: Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
But they can fuse together, making me believe that it would be possible for Kami and Piccolo's bond to be severed (since it is somewhat in Kami's power).Kaboom wrote:I suspect something like this is the case. They're a single soul occupying two different bodies. Hence why when one dies, the other just kind of fades away, as though they're being pulled away into the afterlife along with them.Gohaz wrote:How exactly, they are the same soul/spirit, whatever you call, just split in two bodies, there is no way anyone could meddle with that, it is the same as the cyborgs-into-humans deal
If the Dragonballs can meddle with death and the afterlife, they could meddle with souls too, I'm sure.
I believe that the reason to why they didn't use the Dragonballs was because of:
1) They had control over each other, being each other's opposite
2) For Kami, he knew of that there may have came a day to where fusion is needed, and it seems as if being half of one soul fusing is more powerful than two different souls
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That makes no sense, even if they split into 2 different beings with 2 different souls using the dragon balls, they would still be able to fuse as Namekians, they have the same parent
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I think Shenlong couldn't do that for the same reason he can't defeat the Saiyans or return the Androids back to human, that is he can't do anything that excedes his creator's strength. Even though I find this statement a bit ambiguous, it basically means he can't "defeat" any being stronger that his creator, and even though separating Kami and Piccolo would not be defeating it would be "powering down" this being (or in a way, it would be defeating) and Piccolo+Kami is a being far more powerful that Shenlong's creator and thus it cannot be done.
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Re: Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
I don't think the dragon balls could be used to severe their bond. I see their existence in a way similar to Kirk's, in The Enemy Within. Except while they could live independently from one another, one could not survive if the other died.
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Re: Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
But the son of Katatz managed to split his soul into two. Why wouldn't Kami be able to go further if he wanted?
And it's not like as if Kami can actually do all the things Shenlong does really by himself.
I believe that Shenlong could, but it wouldn't do much good.
And it's not like as if Kami can actually do all the things Shenlong does really by himself.
I believe that Shenlong could, but it wouldn't do much good.
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I feel like the bond between the two is necessary. For all we know, severing it would cause both of them to drop dead.
According to the Daizenshuu, the Namekians have to be the same type to merge with each other. Kami and Daimao were probably the same type (so long as you consider "Dragon Clansman" close enough to "Demon Clansman"). Kami and Junior were different types, but were still able to merge, perhaps due to this link between them.Gohaz wrote:That makes no sense, even if they split into 2 different beings with 2 different souls using the dragon balls, they would still be able to fuse as Namekians, they have the same parent
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Re: Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
i always interpreted the soul splitting process as being dependent on the distinction between the good and evil in katatson's soul. presumably further soul splitting wouldn't be possible once a being is purely good or evil.Godo wrote:But the son of Katatz managed to split his soul into two. Why wouldn't Kami be able to go further if he wanted?
(otoh, if god were to lose the purity of his part of the soul, as kaio implies is what happened to the nameless namekian in the first place, perhaps he could siphon that corruption into a third being?)
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But that's something that he did, not something that someone or something else did for him, get it ?Godo wrote:But the son of Katatz managed to split his soul into two. Why wouldn't Kami be able to go further if he wanted?
And it's not like as if Kami can actually do all the things Shenlong does really by himself.
I believe that Shenlong could, but it wouldn't do much good.
And Kami can't actually do all the things Shenlong does by himself. The whole "Shenlong can't do anything that exceedes the power of his creator" is something that the story gives us, and we should go by that.
And I do believe Kamiccolo (lol) could split himself in the two if he wanted, because he said he'd do it to Nail, and he united with Kami in much the same way. I just don't believe Shenlong could do it, because of that power restriction. Unless the creator of the dragon balls, let's say Dende, was stronger than Kamiccolo, then it would be possible.
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Piccolo most likely didn't know the full details of how Namekian Assimilation works before he performed it with Nail. But if he flat-out says later that he and Kami can't ver re-split back into two separate beings, then that takes precedence and should mean he actually can't.Deity wrote:And I do believe Kamiccolo (lol) could split himself in the two if he wanted, because he said he'd do it to Nail, and he united with Kami in much the same way.
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Re: Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
No, if he was to split himself in 2, it would be like the original Namekian splitted into Kami and Daimao. So, Piccolo will not split into Piccolo and Kami, or into Piccolo and Nail. He would split into two new persons, a pure evil Piccolo, and a pure good Piccolo and they are gonna be like identical twins.Deity wrote:Godo wrote:And I do believe Kamiccolo (lol) could split himself in the two if he wanted, because he said he'd do it to Nail, and he united with Kami in much the same way. I just don't believe Shenlong could do it, because of that power restriction. Unless the creator of the dragon balls, let's say Dende, was stronger than Kamiccolo, then it would be possible.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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But my point is that (mind that I have somewhat changed my mind)Deity wrote: And Kami can't actually do all the things Shenlong does by himself. The whole "Shenlong can't do anything that exceedes the power of his creator" is something that the story gives us, and we should go by that.
a) Shenlong can't do all the things that Kami can do (Kami's godly duties as an example, and other abilities)
b) Kami can't do all the things Shenlong can do (as resurrecting people)
These two point are connected with that "Shenlong can't do anything that exceeds the power of his creator". In other words, it has to do with his creators skills in making Dragonballs.
Dende was much more skilled in making Dragonballs, being able to make it grant three wishes, all three even more capable than Porunga's wishes.
Kami's balls: One wish, can resurrect tons of people at the same time.
The Great Elder's balls: Three wishes, but limited to one person for one wish.
Dende's balls: Three wishes, and can resurrect tons of people at the same time with one wish, and the rest of the wishes can be used.
So, Dende being young and gifted, has the greatest set of balls known in the history if Dragonball.
So it has to do with skills in creating the Dragonballs in the end. And since we don't know in which was skills decide in Shenlong's actions, we don't know if Shenlong can severe the bond between Kami and Piccolo.
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But you forgot those:Godo wrote:Kami's balls: One wish, can resurrect tons of people at the same time.
The Great Elder's balls: Three wishes, but limited to one person for one wish.
Dende's balls: Three wishes, and can resurrect tons of people at the same time with one wish, and the rest of the wishes can be used.
So, Dende being young and gifted, has the greatest set of balls known in the history if Dragonball.
So it has to do with skills in creating the Dragonballs in the end. And since we don't know in which was skills decide in Shenlong's actions, we don't know if Shenlong can severe the bond between Kami and Piccolo.
Moori's balls: Three wishes, and can resurrect tons of people at the same time with one wish, and the rest of the wishes can be used. Unlike Dende's balls, those can resurrect a person more than one time.
Original Namekian's balls: EVERYTHING!
So, excluding GT, Moori's balls are greater, as they also return from stones to DBs sooner(Earth DBs: 1 year > Namek DBs: 130 days).
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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But remember that when Krillin asked Shenlong to turn the Androids back to human Shenlong said he couldn't do it because that exceeded the power of his creator, and his creator at the time was Dende.Godo wrote:But my point is that (mind that I have somewhat changed my mind)Deity wrote: And Kami can't actually do all the things Shenlong does by himself. The whole "Shenlong can't do anything that exceedes the power of his creator" is something that the story gives us, and we should go by that.
a) Shenlong can't do all the things that Kami can do (Kami's godly duties as an example, and other abilities)
b) Kami can't do all the things Shenlong can do (as resurrecting people)
These two point are connected with that "Shenlong can't do anything that exceeds the power of his creator". In other words, it has to do with his creators skills in making Dragonballs.
Dende was much more skilled in making Dragonballs, being able to make it grant three wishes, all three even more capable than Porunga's wishes.
Kami's balls: One wish, can resurrect tons of people at the same time.
The Great Elder's balls: Three wishes, but limited to one person for one wish.
Dende's balls: Three wishes, and can resurrect tons of people at the same time with one wish, and the rest of the wishes can be used.
So, Dende being young and gifted, has the greatest set of balls known in the history if Dragonball.
So it has to do with skills in creating the Dragonballs in the end. And since we don't know in which was skills decide in Shenlong's actions, we don't know if Shenlong can severe the bond between Kami and Piccolo.
I wasn't taking into account who the creator was, or how skilled he is in creating, however I do believe that this particular rule always applies, no matter who the creator is
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Re: Could Shenlong sever Kami and Piccolo's bond?
Wouldn't that exceed Kami's power?
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Giggity.Godo wrote:So, Dende being young and gifted, has the greatest set of balls known in the history if Dragonball.
But, as someone else said, Muuri's balls are better because they can revive those who've died before more than once. Dende's can't, and also, reviving tons of people means that their three wishes are reduced to two.
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So it's a quality or quantity thing, revive a bunch of people who died and didn't do shit, or revive Goku and Krillin for like, the 7th time.
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