The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:13 pm

Even if the anime pulled a few strings to make it better, I've always been biased towards Kid/Chibi Buu. Much like Cell, Toriyama pulled an epic finale out of a mess of a plot.

It's made painfully clear that everything will die if Buu lives, the battlefield is basically at the end of existence with the guardians of the universe watching on, Goku is fighting all out with a power implied to be ridiculous by the series' own standards, jumping back and forth between loving the challenge of an enemy tailor-made for him and cursing Buu's resilience, Vegeta pretty much becomes Goku's brother from another mother after dropping the angst, we get to see just how stupid the Dragon Ball populace is (Going with Vegeta on that one), and the Spirit Bomb final gets some properly built, non-movie time in the spotlight after it's made adequately clear that there really isn't another way.
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To count that as a "fight" wouldn't being doing it justice; that was an event. I'd count both that scene and the Cell games, which is the only other time Z really catches that tone again, only made more impressive that we had a clear-cut final battle after the twistiest arc in the series, two of the series highest points.

The Saiyan fight because it introduced the brutality and power that Z villains would operate with, and the results of failure against this new caliber of enemy; death, and lots of it. Even if you saw Z first and first half second, you could see the violent tone change; I remember Bulma's grabbing the frame of the crew at the 23rd and asking "What happened?" The Cell games because the whole thing is borrowed time; the love of the battle Goku's genes gave Cell was the only reason the crew was still alive, and Cell could cut the facade at a moment's notice, as he does when Gohan snaps.
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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by Ussj Future Trunks » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:30 pm

I would say Goku vs Piccolo Jr is the greatest battle. Goku vs Freeza was boring and overlong.
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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by Rocketman » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:00 pm

Earth vs the Saiyans, there's just no contest.

As great as the Goku vs Piccolo fight is, it's still a tournament match. Goku wins because he knocks Piccolo out of the ring. Piccolo was willing to abide by the tourney rules, and Goku talks several times about keeping to them. And then at the end both get revived with senzu and everybody's fine.

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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:11 pm

Rocketman wrote:As great as the Goku vs Piccolo fight is, it's still a tournament match. Goku wins because he knocks Piccolo out of the ring. Piccolo was willing to abide by the tourney rules, and Goku talks several times about keeping to them. And then at the end both get revived with senzu and everybody's fine.
I think you're downplaying its impact. I don't think it really matters whether or not it's a tournament match, as what matters is quality, choreography and drive. Goku does win because he knocks Piccolo out of the ring, but at the end, Piccolo was still either unconscious or half-conscious, whereas Goku, while severely injured, was conscious.
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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by Fox666 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:32 pm

Perhaps Goku tought he won because he knocked Piccolo out of the ring, but Piccolo wouldn't accept that if he wasn't half-dead at the point.

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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by Monkey D Goku » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:59 pm

I really enjoyed the Goku vs Frieza fight it was really epic on a destroyed planet and all but the whole planet namek is going to blow up in 5 min really bothered me.

I think the greatest battle would probably be Goku vs Vegeta unseen in the timeline where dragonball online almost begins it is said that Goku and Vegeta sensed their deaths were near and went to go do battle one last time. That line just seems epic to me. The last two full blooded sayians and their ends.
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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by Michsi » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:05 pm

I think it's interesting because it's a tournament match. The end of the round just happened to coincide with the end of the battle. If Piccolo had been conscious after getting kicked out of the ring and well enough to fight I'm pretty sure he would have finished them, tournament winner or not.

Going all out, yet being limited by rules at the same time, was what made this battle different. It's the reason Cell gave up on them because they complicated things.

So yes, Piccolo Jr. vs Goku is my favorite battle.
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Saiyans vs. Earth is close second, though strangely, I like it most before Goku enters the scene. For some reason Goku vs. Vegeta one on one seemed less exciting for me than Nappa vs. everyone else.

Goku vs. Freeza is up there too.

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Re: The greatest battle in Dragon Ball

Post by ET93 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:46 pm

It's a real tough one choosing the greatest battle to be honest. So many battles were of a high caliber - that's what makes DB/Z the anime we love. Goku vs Jackie Chun/Piccolo/Tenshinhan were brilliant - I've always been a sucker for tournament based fights. Which is why I also love the Cell saga. But than there's also Earth vs the Saiyans which was epic - literally a fight to the end. And who can forget Freeza vs Goku, possibly the most iconic and memorable battle from DBZ. There are also many more. Honestly though I think its impossible to have a greatest, as it really depends on what you consider to be great. But, even typing about these fights makes me wanna' go a re-watch DB/Z again.

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