If you die while you are dead?
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If you die while you are dead?
Was it ever mentioned in the manga or explained in any kind of detail what would happen if you die again, after you are already dead?
I just recently watched the episode where Kid Buu was about to blow up Grand Kaio's planet and Goku mentioned that if Kuririn and Yamucha die again they will be gone completely. I assume that means that can't be brought back to life with the dragonballs. That was a filler episode but just wondering if anything more concrete than that was ever given to us.
I just recently watched the episode where Kid Buu was about to blow up Grand Kaio's planet and Goku mentioned that if Kuririn and Yamucha die again they will be gone completely. I assume that means that can't be brought back to life with the dragonballs. That was a filler episode but just wondering if anything more concrete than that was ever given to us.
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There's a scene where Goku warns Vegeta, who's about to fight Buu in order to stall time for the Genki-dama, that if he's killed again, he won't exist anymore. I assume he means he won't even be in the afterlife anymore and disappear into nothingness. That's what I always took from it.
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This. Though it did always bother me how you can die when in a spiritual body.BrodieK41 wrote:There's a scene where Goku warns Vegeta, who's about to fight Buu in order to stall time for the Genki-dama, that if he's killed again, he won't exist anymore. I assume he means he won't even be in the afterlife anymore and disappear into nothingness. That's what I always took from it.
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Presumably, there's no after-afterlife for your soul or whatever to go to, so after you die while you're dead, you literally disappear from existence.
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What's a "spiritual body", though? They always act like it's just the same body you had when you were alive.Rory wrote:Though it did always bother me how you can die when in a spiritual body.
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Supposedly if you are "killed" after you died, your soul won't go to the after-life, but rather cease to exist.
Of course it is a little strange since Vegeta retained his body, so it shouldn't be much different from dying while he was still alive.
Not sure about the Dragon Balls. If it can revive a person who died, or rebuild the entire Earth, why can't it reconstruct a soul?
Of course it is a little strange since Vegeta retained his body, so it shouldn't be much different from dying while he was still alive.
Not sure about the Dragon Balls. If it can revive a person who died, or rebuild the entire Earth, why can't it reconstruct a soul?
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Well, when someone dies, all of the bits of their body still exist and their soul is still hanging around in the afterlife... so it's not too complicated, all you need to do is fix the body a little, put the soul back in, and they're alive again. It's even easier in the case of those like Goku who kept their bodies in the afterlife, since all that really needs to be done is changing their "deadness status" (halo) from "dead" to "not dead."
And rebuilding a planet isn't really any more complicated than rebuilding someone's body (just on a much bigger scale)--all that needs to be done is putting the pieces back together right.
Plus, Kami has shown the ability to give people new bodies if theirs was too far beyond repair, as well as the ability to go between Earth and the afterlife pretty much at will and the ability to rebuild the moon. So all of those sorts of things should be possible with the Dragonballs, just going by the "as long as it doesn't exceed the creator's power" rule.
But if your soul ceases to exist entirely, there's nothing left over to put back together--you're just gone. Considering how much of a big deal it was to keep anyone from becoming "dead-dead" when Buu was going around, it's definitely implied that there's no way to reverse this, Dragonballs or otherwise. Maybe that's why we never see the North and West Kaioshins around, even in the afterlife--Buu could have easily killed them again once they stood back up with halos after the first time.
Not sure why it would be different for Vegeta (who actually had his body) than for a normal living person, though. Maybe the bodies people have in the afterlife aren't really the same as their living bodies after all--Goku didn't run out of power so quickly when using SSj3 when he was dead (though it did eat away at the "visiting the not-dead people time" he had left), so there must be some difference.
And rebuilding a planet isn't really any more complicated than rebuilding someone's body (just on a much bigger scale)--all that needs to be done is putting the pieces back together right.
Plus, Kami has shown the ability to give people new bodies if theirs was too far beyond repair, as well as the ability to go between Earth and the afterlife pretty much at will and the ability to rebuild the moon. So all of those sorts of things should be possible with the Dragonballs, just going by the "as long as it doesn't exceed the creator's power" rule.
But if your soul ceases to exist entirely, there's nothing left over to put back together--you're just gone. Considering how much of a big deal it was to keep anyone from becoming "dead-dead" when Buu was going around, it's definitely implied that there's no way to reverse this, Dragonballs or otherwise. Maybe that's why we never see the North and West Kaioshins around, even in the afterlife--Buu could have easily killed them again once they stood back up with halos after the first time.
Not sure why it would be different for Vegeta (who actually had his body) than for a normal living person, though. Maybe the bodies people have in the afterlife aren't really the same as their living bodies after all--Goku didn't run out of power so quickly when using SSj3 when he was dead (though it did eat away at the "visiting the not-dead people time" he had left), so there must be some difference.
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The body they get to keep is a privilege to their soul. Instead of their soul just floating around, they're allowed to keep their memories and exist in the form of their original body. If they lose that, then they're gone permanently.Rory wrote:This. Though it did always bother me how you can die when in a spiritual body.BrodieK41 wrote:There's a scene where Goku warns Vegeta, who's about to fight Buu in order to stall time for the Genki-dama, that if he's killed again, he won't exist anymore. I assume he means he won't even be in the afterlife anymore and disappear into nothingness. That's what I always took from it.