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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Because nothing indicates that anyone in Dragon Ball is stronger than any main villain in Z. That's all I'm going off of, and there's some correlation with BP when it comes to that. Really though, she's a gag character when it comes to DB.Gaffer Tape wrote:Um, how? Is there an official battle power for her? If not, how can you make the assertion that she would get annihilated based on a non-existent number?
There is no official battle power for Arale. And I suppose you haven't seen/read Dr. Slump, you don't know her terrifying power.OzzyApu wrote:No, she'd be destroyed. Honestly, in literal power levels, the villains would annihilate her. For gag reasons, she's whoop them. She's a horrid character, and I hate her for ruining the Blue saga with her terrible cameo. Annoying as hell.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
OOoooh I'm shaking. So the strongest character in the DB universe is some robot. How adorable. I know there's no official battle power for her, and you have it wrong assuming that I didn't see / read at least some of Dr. Slump. Maybe my huge dislike of her is getting in the way of my opinion, but she crosses gag territory for me any time I imagine her fighting a main villain for this thread's purposes.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There is no official battle power for Arale. And I suppose you haven't seen/read Dr. Slump, you don't know her terrifying power.OzzyApu wrote:No, she'd be destroyed. Honestly, in literal power levels, the villains would annihilate her. For gag reasons, she's whoop them. She's a horrid character, and I hate her for ruining the Blue saga with her terrible cameo. Annoying as hell.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
^This.Gaffer Tape wrote:Also, sorry if it seemed like anyone was ganging up on you. We weren't. We just have differing opinions. It happens.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
In my eyes, he was never an evil character or did anything to deserve going to hell, from what I've seen.Gaffer Tape wrote:What about #16? He was "just a robot," yet he was able to kick first-form Cell's ass.
Also, sorry if it seemed like anyone was ganging up on you. We weren't. We just have differing opinions. It happens.
You forget the fact that Arale wasn't created for Dragon Ball to begin with.OzzyApu wrote:#16 seemed like it was built with such levels of power being the status quo. Meaning that all the heroes and villains had some range of power, and now a new villain needed to be written in that could top that. Felt like a logical progression that the next villain (for how short a time he was in the villain spot) would be an android and needed to have a power level higher than the others. However, knowing that Arale's capabilities were shown long before that, that argument is shot. You might have me beat. Of course, #16's strength only went so far, so just because Arale is capable of such feats, I'm not sure if you take into account the destructiveness of the top guys in the Z series (2 high forms of Majin Boo, Mystic Gohan, Vegetto, etc.) and can see an even fight between them an Arale.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Um... what does that have to do with his strength compared to Arale's? And who's talking about hell? And are we talking about Cell or #16? If we're talking about the latter, there's nothing to indicate whether or not he went to any form of afterlife. And if we're talking about Cell... well, let's just hope you're not talking about Cell. But at any rate, I'm still left with a big, "Huh?!"dbboxkaifan wrote:In my eyes, he was never an evil character or did anything to deserve going to hell, from what I've seen.Gaffer Tape wrote:What about #16? He was "just a robot," yet he was able to kick first-form Cell's ass.
Also, sorry if it seemed like anyone was ganging up on you. We weren't. We just have differing opinions. It happens.
