Anybody Else Bothered By GT'S Dolltacki Character?

[Gaffer Tape]

Eh, I'd say it's more offensive to heterosexual males, implying that they can't or shouldn't have a feminine side.

Not really. It's worse to say that gay people are all feminine than it is to say that straight men aren't, because gay men get more discrimination in every day life.

I really don't buy into the whole "systemic" argument... that sexist thinking is worse against *insert minority group here* because they are more often the target of it. Sexism is sexism, and it's bad and needs to be stamped out no matter who it's directed towards. And people constantly saying, "Well, *blank*ism against my group is more important than yours," doesn't do anything towards achieving that goal. And I can go ahead and tell you right now, from personal experience, that people who wouldn't bat an eye if an obviously gay man was acting feminine (because, for whatever reason, non-normative gender behavior is more expected), still freak out if it's displayed by an otherwise heterosexual-looking male.

To make it clear, though, I'm not even saying it's not bad to assume all gay men are the wispy, feminine stereotype. That is bad that that's assumed. What I was saying is that, due to that stereotype, it's much more easily accepted for a homosexual man to have any kind of feminine side.

On-topic, though, I would like to see these episodes at some point. The way people are describing the stuff with Pan, it comes across like some Silence of the Lambs-type creepiness, and I can't imagine them going for that kind of vibe.

[soulnova]

If I remember correctly, the Latin Dub had Pan as a 4yo at the 28th Budokai and placed GT 10 years later... so it wasn't that bad to see her trying to get a boyfriend at the start. Bra was supposed to be one year older I believe too.

I never really liked Roshi outside his teacher status. I can't really understand how Krillin still lived with him with his daughter well into her teens.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I never really liked Roshi outside his teacher status. I can't really understand how Krillin still lived with him with his daughter well into her teens.

I don't think Roushi would go that far, but I can't understand why Kuririn didn't get up off his ass, even he'd married #18 and had Marron with her, to get a house of his own. I mean, was #18, of all people, really that happy with the accommodation? Then again, she apparently married fucking Kuririn out of convenience, so...

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

He didn't bother me with his love for dolls. Maybe he's into doll fashion contests.

[DoomieDoomie911]

Both wrong... She was five during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, so that makes her ten in DBGT.

No, she was four at the 28th Budoukai. It's explicitly stated in the manga dialogue.

Oh... I guess I was wrong. My mistake!

[Saiga]

I never really liked Roshi outside his teacher status. I can't really understand how Krillin still lived with him with his daughter well into her teens.

I don't think Roushi would go that far, but I can't understand why Kuririn didn't get up off his ass, even he'd married #18 and had Marron with her, to get a house of his own. I mean, was #18, of all people, really that happy with the accommodation? Then again, she apparently married fucking Kuririn out of convenience, so...

I'm sure Toriyama just didn't want to bother giving them a new home.

[GS7X7]

The UKDB people had a field day with this! They had this whole meme about making fun of him for being a creepy pedophile! Good ol' Duncan's humor against a crazed pedo, some really funny jokes!

[Piccolo Daimao]

I never really liked Roshi outside his teacher status. I can't really understand how Krillin still lived with him with his daughter well into her teens.

I don't think Roushi would go that far, but I can't understand why Kuririn didn't get up off his ass, even he'd married #18 and had Marron with her, to get a house of his own. I mean, was #18, of all people, really that happy with the accommodation? Then again, she apparently married fucking Kuririn out of convenience, so...

I'm sure Toriyama just didn't want to bother giving them a new home.

That's the out-of-universe explanation (which is why so many people are just bunking at Capsule Corporation, including evil bastard Vegeta before he conveniently shacked up with Blooma). But in-universe, it makes Kuririn seem like an incompetent freeloader, who could quite easily get a job for himself; maybe something in sports, like Yamcha, and get rich from that. I wonder why he didn't do that, even before he got with #18, since he'd get a lot of ladies. But I guess that'd be against Muten Roushi's teachings (not to get stronger to boost their own ego or get with the girls, but for health of the mind and body and to protect innocents from evil).

[soulnova]

Well, in some way I understand that Roshi kind of "adopted" Krillin as a grandson. Of all people, Krillin, Bulma and Goku feel to me like they were family: Bulma as maybe the older, loud and bossy sister of Goku, and Krillin as a cousin. The only three characters of the original cast to get families on their own.

[Saiga]

That's the out-of-universe explanation (which is why so many people are just bunking at Capsule Corporation, including evil bastard Vegeta before he conveniently shacked up with Blooma). But in-universe, it makes Kuririn seem like an incompetent freeloader, who could quite easily get a job for himself; maybe something in sports, like Yamcha, and get rich from that. I wonder why he didn't do that, even before he got with #18, since he'd get a lot of ladies. But I guess that'd be against Muten Roushi's teachings (not to get stronger to boost their own ego or get with the girls, but for health of the mind and body and to protect innocents from evil).

In-universe I just say that Kurilin didn't want to leave Roshi alone out of respect for him or something along those lines.

[Piccolo Daimao]

That's the out-of-universe explanation (which is why so many people are just bunking at Capsule Corporation, including evil bastard Vegeta before he conveniently shacked up with Blooma). But in-universe, it makes Kuririn seem like an incompetent freeloader, who could quite easily get a job for himself; maybe something in sports, like Yamcha, and get rich from that. I wonder why he didn't do that, even before he got with #18, since he'd get a lot of ladies. But I guess that'd be against Muten Roushi's teachings (not to get stronger to boost their own ego or get with the girls, but for health of the mind and body and to protect innocents from evil).

In-universe I just say that Kurilin didn't want to leave Roshi alone out of respect for him or something along those lines.

Hmm...maybe. They'd lived together for so long, and the so-called "Turtle Hermit" didn't seem to be much of a hermit at all. I guess Kuririn didn't want to read the newspaper one day and find out that he'd committed suicide via autoerotic asphyxiation or something.

Still, I don't know how the fuck #18 put up with it. But I guess Roushi would know better than to try anything with the woman who'd previously beaten up Super Saiyan Vegeta to a pulp (excluding filler), and perhaps #18 used this to her advantage to wait on her hand and foot. But she could just get Kuririn to do that, unless she respected him too much.

[sonikku956]

That's the out-of-universe explanation (which is why so many people are just bunking at Capsule Corporation, including evil bastard Vegeta before he conveniently shacked up with Blooma). But in-universe, it makes Kuririn seem like an incompetent freeloader, who could quite easily get a job for himself; maybe something in sports, like Yamcha, and get rich from that. I wonder why he didn't do that, even before he got with #18, since he'd get a lot of ladies. But I guess that'd be against Muten Roushi's teachings (not to get stronger to boost their own ego or get with the girls, but for health of the mind and body and to protect innocents from evil).

In-universe I just say that Kurilin didn't want to leave Roshi alone out of respect for him or something along those lines.

Hmm...maybe. They'd lived together for so long, and the so-called "Turtle Hermit" didn't seem to be much of a hermit at all. I guess Kuririn didn't want to read the newspaper one day and find out that he'd committed suicide via autoerotic asphyxiation or something.

Still, I don't know how the fuck #18 put up with it. But I guess Roushi would know better than to try anything with the woman who'd previously beaten up Super Saiyan Vegeta to a pulp (excluding filler), and perhaps #18 used this to her advantage to wait on her hand and foot. But she could just get Kuririn to do that, unless she respected him too much.

He still tries stuff with Chichi and Bulma. I can understand Goku because he knows that Chichi will lay the smackdown on Roshi, but Vegeta?

[Piccolo Daimao]

He still tries stuff with Chichi and Bulma. I can understand Goku because he knows that Chichi will lay the smackdown on Roshi, but Vegeta?

That's only in filler. In the manga, we never see Roushi try anything with Chi-Chi, and the last time we see him do so with Blooma is during the Kame House reunion at the beginning of the Saiyan arc.

[Fionordequester]

Huh...really? I guess that's yet another thing I can dislike the anime writers for then, among other things, like how they portrayed Chi Chi and Bulma at times.

[Son Edo]

Perfect character for the GT role, he served up his purpose nicely until the bug guns started showing up.

[Cipher]

Perfect character for the GT role, he served up his purpose nicely until the bug guns started showing up.

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[sonikku956]

He still tries stuff with Chichi and Bulma. I can understand Goku because he knows that Chichi will lay the smackdown on Roshi, but Vegeta?

That's only in filler. In the manga, we never see Roushi try anything with Chi-Chi, and the last time we see him do so with Blooma is during the Kame House reunion at the beginning of the Saiyan arc.

I'm going by the 2008 special with Chichi.

[Son Edo]

Perfect character for the GT role, he served up his purpose nicely until the bug guns started showing up.

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Haha my apologies.

[Piccolo Daimao]

He still tries stuff with Chichi and Bulma. I can understand Goku because he knows that Chichi will lay the smackdown on Roshi, but Vegeta?

That's only in filler. In the manga, we never see Roushi try anything with Chi-Chi, and the last time we see him do so with Blooma is during the Kame House reunion at the beginning of the Saiyan arc.

I'm going by the 2008 special with Chichi.

Filler, 2008 special...still not manga canon.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Filler, 2008 special...still not manga canon.

There is also a manga version of it by the way, so it doesn't exactly counts as filler.