Could Ultimate Gohan use Kaio-ken?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Do you think Ultimate Gohan could use Kaiou-ken if he was taught it by Gokuu?

[Kamiccolo9]

I definitely think he could use it. Whether or not he would survive the attempt in a living body is another questions

[TheMightyOzaru]

Sure, why not? It honestly begs the question, why the heck didn't he teach everyone Kaioken?

[DarkPrince_92]

Coulda sworn I've seen him use it in movie 2. I saw like a glimmer of a red aura while he was blocking a blast from the old guy. Maybe not?

[dbzfan7]

If he did he would not know where to place him. All of his power from transformations is in base so he should be able to use Kaioken on top of it.

[hleV]

No. Kaio-ken is not a ritual which magically grants power, it's a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power. It draws the power from the same "place" Super Saiyan does, and "Ultimate" Gohan already has all that power unlocked.

[Kamiccolo9]

No. Kaio-ken is not a ritual which magically grants power, it's a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power. It draws the power from the same "place" Super Saiyan does, and "Ultimate" Gohan already has all that power unlocked.

That is never stated. All that is said about Kaio-Ken is that it amplifies the user's power. Nothing says anything about drawing on the user's hidden potential.

Kaio-Ken
First Appearance: Chapter 226
Category: ki manipulation
People: Son Goku
Special Characteristics: A technique that instantly amplifies the ki inside one’s body, multiplying all that person’s abilities, including power, speed, defense, etc. Since it makes one capable of utilizing battle power many times their own ability, it is extraordinarily effective during battles with formidable opponents. However, because it is impossible to multiply excessively far beyond one’s abilities, experimenting with an unreasonably high Kaio-Ken might destroy one’s own body. When the user’s battle power is 8,000, their limit is x2, and when they are at 3 million the limit is x10. However, since real battles are harsh, Goku often had to use Kaio-Ken above those limits. The Kaio-Ken’s designer is the North Kaio, but Goku was the first person to be able to master it. (Daizenshuu 2, p.212/ Daizenshuu 4, p.113)
Anime: The first movie it was used in was “The World’s Strongest Guy”, when it was shown during the battle with Dr. Uiro (Daizenshuu 6, p.52). In “Super Decisive Battle for the Earth”, Goku challenged Tullece with Kaio-Ken x10 (Daizenshuu 6, p.60). In the movies after that, the “~x” number mark wasn’t used.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No. Kaio-ken... is a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power.

Wrong. It amplifies ones power, like every other technique does.

[Godo]

I thought that Kaio-ken is a technique that makes you able to use more of your reserves at once.

As an example, Goku at 8,000 would have all in all maybe 50,000 in ki left usable in his body. But his body can only handle usage of 16,000 at once. He can normally fight with the power of 8,000, but to attack with the power of 16,000, he needs to take time and charge the attack.
Using Kaio-ken, he forces out his power reserves out at once and also forces his body to handle the energy.
When using Kaio-ken x 3 against Vegeta, he went above the output his body could naturally handle, so he got hurt.

And also, this is why Kaio-ken is dangerous and hard to use. You have to make sure that you focus the power, or it will backfire and you'll explode.

So by using the power reserve theory, Ultimate Gohan could have as well been able to use it.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No. Kaio-ken is not a ritual which magically grants power, it's a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power. It draws the power from the same "place" Super Saiyan does, and "Ultimate" Gohan already has all that power unlocked.

Where the hell did you get that idea ?

[hleV]

No. Kaio-ken is not a ritual which magically grants power, it's a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power. It draws the power from the same "place" Super Saiyan does, and "Ultimate" Gohan already has all that power unlocked.

Where the hell did you get that idea ?

Logic.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No. Kaio-ken is not a ritual which magically grants power, it's a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power. It draws the power from the same "place" Super Saiyan does, and "Ultimate" Gohan already has all that power unlocked.

Where the hell did you get that idea ?

Logic.

Right because this is totally a logical conclusion. The attack dictionary merely says it's a Ki amplification technique.

[Kamiccolo9]

No. Kaio-ken is not a ritual which magically grants power, it's a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power. It draws the power from the same "place" Super Saiyan does, and "Ultimate" Gohan already has all that power unlocked.

Where the hell did you get that idea ?

Logic.

Why couldn't it "magically grant power?" It was a godly technique after all.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No. Kaio-ken is not a ritual which magically grants power, it's a ki technique which allows the user to use more of his hidden power. It draws the power from the same "place" Super Saiyan does, and "Ultimate" Gohan already has all that power unlocked.

Where the hell did you get that idea ?

Logic.

Manga:

Chapter: 227 (DBZ 33), P1.3, P2.1
Kuririn: “Guh…Goku, how’d you do that? Was that something you were taught by Lord Kaio?
Goku: “Yeah. It’s called Kaio-Ken!”
Goku: “You control all the ki in your body…momentarily amplifying it. If you get it right, your power, speed, destructive force, and defensive force all become many times greater…”

[hleV]

Why couldn't it "magically grant power?" It was a godly technique after all.

It's under a category of "ki manipulation". I don't and never will believe that one can get power from nowhere.

[Kamiccolo9]

Why couldn't it "magically grant power?" It was a godly technique after all.

It's under a category of "ki manipulation".

And magic can't manipulate ki? Babidi unlocking Vegeta's potential would have to disagree. And I'm not saying that Kaio-ken is magic, only that it can amplify ki without drawing on hidden potential.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Why couldn't it "magically grant power?" It was a godly technique after all.

Because a) it was taught to Goku, not granted, and b) the manga already states that it amplifies the ki, no magic, no dormant power.

[hleV]

I don't think we have a similar understanding of the word "amplification".

[Kamiccolo9]

Why couldn't it "magically grant power?" It was a godly technique after all.

Because a) it was taught to Goku, not granted, and b) the manga already states that it amplifies the ki, no magic, no dormant power.

I'm talking about the technique itself, not him learning the technique. And by "magically grant power" I meant that the technique could amplify his ki without drawing on his hidden potential.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't think we have a similar understanding of the word "amplification".

What's yours?

Why couldn't it "magically grant power?" It was a godly technique after all.

Because a) it was taught to Goku, not granted, and b) the manga already states that it amplifies the ki, no magic, no dormant power.

I'm talking about the technique itself, not him learning the technique. And by "magically grant power" I meant that the technique could amplify his ki without drawing on his hidden potential.

Ah, OK.