What if Tien died instead of Goku...

[Yin Yang]

Tien, Goku, and Piccolo fought Raditz. Tien died and trained under King Kai, learning Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.The saiyans arrived 2 years later than they normally did. Also King Kai taught him the things he would of learned from Kami.

Tien gets there before Vegeta kills Goku,Gohan and Krillin. Chaozu, Yamcha and Piccolo still die.


The power level Freeza had when at 1% of his maximum in his final form, is now 100% of his true power.

[Draken]

Tenshinhan, Goku, and Piccolo fought Raditz. Tenshinhan died and trained under King Kai, learning Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.The saiyans arrived 2 years later than they normally did. Also King Kai taught him the things he would of learned from Kami.


The power level Freeza had when at 1% of his maximum in his final form, is now 100% of his true power.

The series would implode from lack of Goku wank.

[JulieYBM]

Tenshinhan would still fail because he isn't the main character.

[B]

Freeza is a non-entity; Vegeta kills everyone if Goku does not have Kaio power-ups.

[RandomGuy96]

Assuming he gets similar gains to Goku, his power level would be about 5,000 and he'd be able to use Kaio-Ken x2 comfortably, Kaio-Ken x3 with difficulty for short periods, and Kaio-Ken x4 for a few seconds only.

His 5,000 power level will let him lay a major beatdown on Nappa- that is, if Nappa even survives Goku and Piccolo, who would both be over 3,000, and teaming up on Nappa. Vegeta would be a big problem' Tien would know immediately that kaio-ken x2 is pointless, and so go kaio-ken x3; when this still proves to be ineffective, he'll use his last resort desperation tactic: a single Kikoho... amplified by Kaio-Ken x3. That SHOULD kill Vegeta, or at least leave him in a very weak state where Goku and Piccolo can finish him off.'

Tien, if he survived, Piccolo, and Goku spar with each other in the subsequent years, getting much stronger. He also teaches them kaio-ken. However, they never go to Namek, since no one died. Eventually, Dr. Gero turns himself into Android 20 and kills everyone. Him, 19, 17, 18, and 16 (with the last three being released as a desperation tactic) are however easily murdered by Dabra when they try to resist Babidi's presence on Earth, who takes Buu's ball and leaves due to lack of good energy sources. For ending the androids' tyrannical reign, Dabra becomes the hero of Earth, a figure of legend.

[Hitiro]

Tienshinhan would lose against Vegeta. Why? Tienshinhan's body would not endure above Kaioken x2 as well as Goku's body would. Saiyan's are just a different kettle of fish in comparison to the other races. They are born with a much stronger body to cope with the extreme gravity their planet presents. As such we have seen Goku's durability come out on top on several occasions throughout the manga. Even as a child Goku's durability was praised as possibly the greatest durability anyone has seen. If Tienshinhan could withstand Kaioken x3 I would guarantee that the beam struggle with him needing to use Kaioken x4 would kill him and the world would be doomed.

[Son Edo]

Tenshinhan.. What a remarkable specimen he is. I don't see how Ten couldn't win if he gets the same increase Goku did, that kikoho is his ace in the hole.

Did tenshinhan use a stronger version of the kikoho against 2nd Cell or was it the same one?

[TheGmGoken]

Tenshinhan, Goku, and Piccolo fought Raditz. Tenshinhan died and trained under King Kai, learning Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.The saiyans arrived 2 years later than they normally did. Also King Kai taught him the things he would of learned from Kami.

Tenshinhan gets there before Vegeta kills Goku,Gohan and Krillin. Chaozu, Yamcha and Piccolo still die.


The power level Freeza had when at 1% of his maximum in his final form, is now 100% of his true power.

Tien isn't important enough to for Kami to recommend to King Kai. Remember Kami took Goku to King Kai. I doubt anyone would care that Tien died. So basically Tien gets back to life from DBs. Everyone dies but GOku and Piccolo due to their training gains. Goku and Piccolo beats up Nappa. Vegeta destroys both of them simple.

[Saiga]

Tenshinhan dies because he doesn't learn the Kaio-ken. If he didn't learn it when he was there for more than a year, and stronger than he is here, he just straight up fails here as well.

Although he also dies if he DOES learn the Kaio-ken, but it won't come to that.

[Marco Polo]

Assuming he gets similar gains to Goku, his power level would be about 5,000 and he'd be able to use Kaio-Ken x2 comfortably, Kaio-Ken x3 with difficulty for short periods, and Kaio-Ken x4 for a few seconds only.

His 5,000 power level will let him lay a major beatdown on Nappa- that is, if Nappa even survives Goku and Piccolo, who would both be over 3,000, and teaming up on Nappa. Vegeta would be a big problem' Tenshinhan would know immediately that kaio-ken x2 is pointless, and so go kaio-ken x3; when this still proves to be ineffective, he'll use his last resort desperation tactic: a single Kikoho... amplified by Kaio-Ken x3. That SHOULD kill Vegeta, or at least leave him in a very weak state where Goku and Piccolo can finish him off.'

Tenshinhan, if he survived, Piccolo, and Goku spar with each other in the subsequent years, getting much stronger. He also teaches them kaio-ken. However, they never go to Namek, since no one died. Eventually, Dr. Gero turns himself into Android 20 and kills everyone. Him, 19, 17, 18, and 16 (with the last three being released as a desperation tactic) are however easily murdered by Dabra when they try to resist Babidi's presence on Earth, who takes Buu's ball and leaves due to lack of good energy sources. For ending the androids' tyrannical reign, Dabra becomes the hero of Earth, a figure of legend.

Nope because Future Gohan or Future Yamcha's son would go back in time to warn them of the Androids.

[Draken]

Tenshinhan dies because he doesn't learn the Kaio-ken. If he didn't learn it when he was there for more than a year, and stronger than he is here, he just straight up fails here as well.

Although he also dies if he DOES learn the Kaio-ken, but it won't come to that.

Who said King Kai taught them Kaioken?

[Saiga]

Who said King Kai taught them Kaioken?

I don't see why they wouldn't, or why they'd know of it when Goku has never told them if Kaio hadn't. And since Kaio agreed to train them, I think it's implied he would have tried to teach Kaio-ken to them.

[Draken]

Who said King Kai taught them Kaioken?

I don't see why they wouldn't, or why they'd know of it when Goku has never told them if Kaio hadn't. And since Kaio agreed to train them, I think it's implied he would have tried to teach Kaio-ken to them.

Goku was a special case and needed emergency everything they had in order to save the Earth, the earthlings just went cause they wanted to get stronger in general.

[Saiga]

Goku was a special case and needed emergency everything they had in order to save the Earth, the earthlings just went cause they wanted to get stronger in general.

Still don't see what that changes. Kaio's still training them.