How strong is Base Vegetto?
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How strong is Base Vegetto?
I have him equal to Ultimate Gohan
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
I think he's weaker than Super Buu:
Super Buu: 126,000,000,000
Vegetto: 80,000,000,000
Super Buu: 126,000,000,000
Vegetto: 80,000,000,000
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Equal to SSJ 3 Gogeta, so slightly stronger than Bootenks. Easily disposed of by Boohan.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
As strong as the anime implies.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
I don't think he's weaker than Super Buu, if you think he is, please tell me why, my memory his hazy.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Vegetto just up and transforms in the manga. There is no way to gauge how strong he is based on that. Him being weaker than Super Buu is just how it scaled for me.Rostir wrote:I don't think he's weaker than Super Buu, if you think he is, please tell me why, my memory his hazy.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
OKTheMightyOzaru wrote:Vegetto just up and transforms in the manga. There is no way to gauge how strong he is based on that. Him being weaker than Super Buu is just how it scaled for me.Rostir wrote:I don't think he's weaker than Super Buu, if you think he is, please tell me why, my memory his hazy.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
The animation made it seem he didn't even need SSJ, but in the manga he goes SSJ right away. I didn't care for that. at least a few koma of Vegetto fighting in base form to give us some measure of power.
I think base Vegetto is a bit stronger than Gohan Buu, until Buu rage boosts or gets serious. But that is mainly due to the animation.
I think base Vegetto is a bit stronger than Gohan Buu, until Buu rage boosts or gets serious. But that is mainly due to the animation.
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Vegetto simply is. Mortal understandings of power cannot grasp his magnificence.
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Infinity multiplied or divided by 50/100/400 is still infinity.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Stronger than Gotenks Boo, but somewhere around Gohan Boo's level. Base "Gokhan" was supposed to be stronger than Gotenks Boo, and Vegetto was supposed to be even stronger than "Gokhan" because Goku & Vegeta are better matches, since they are equals. However, Vegetto decided to use Super Saiyan against Gohan Boo, which implies IMO that without Super Saiyan, he wouldn't be able to humiliate Boo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Its never implied anywhere that Gokhan would be inferior to Vegetto, ever.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Stronger than Gotenks Boo, but somewhere around Gohan Boo's level. Base "Gokhan" was supposed to be stronger than Gotenks Boo, and Vegetto was supposed to be even stronger than "Gokhan" because Goku & Vegeta are better matches, since they are equals. However, Vegetto decided to use Super Saiyan against Gohan Boo, which implies IMO that without Super Saiyan, he wouldn't be able to humiliate Boo.
I do agree that Vegetto needed SSJ to humiliate Boo, though. Otherwise there would be no point in going straight to that form in the manga. So at base he is either weaker than Gohan-Buu (not by a huge amount, maybe around Gotenks-Buu power) or around the same kind of power.
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I'd say it's mostly out-universe reasons for Vegetto going SS (wouldn't be as cool if he fought in base). Regarding in-universe, Vegetto going SS in the manga right off the bat and later telling that he didn't know he could own Boo so easily doesn't imply that SS was really needed (whereas in the anime, base Vegetto owns Boo but still needs to go SS afterwards). There are other points I can't be bothered to provide, just saying that people tend to ignore important details and just look at the fact that Vegetto transformed.rereboy wrote: I do agree that Vegetto needed SSJ to humiliate Boo, though. Otherwise there would be no point in going straight to that form in the manga.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Other than the fact that unlike Goku & Gohan, Goku & Vegeta are rivals?rereboy wrote:Its never implied anywhere that Gokhan would be inferior to Vegetto, ever.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Vegetto doesn't explicitly say he doesn't need SSJ though. There is a 50 times gap between his base and SSJ form.hleV wrote:I'd say it's mostly out-universe reasons for Vegetto going SS (wouldn't be as cool if he fought in base). Regarding in-universe, Vegetto going SS in the manga right off the bat and later telling that he didn't know he could own Boo so easily doesn't imply that SS was really needed (whereas in the anime, base Vegetto owns Boo but still needs to go SS afterwards). There are other points I can't be bothered to provide, just saying that people tend to ignore important details and just look at the fact that Vegetto transformed.rereboy wrote: I do agree that Vegetto needed SSJ to humiliate Boo, though. Otherwise there would be no point in going straight to that form in the manga.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Can't tell if you completely missed my point or just trolling again. If SS Vegetto didn't realize his power (at first, at least), it means he didn't realize his base power as well, which means that him going SS was not necessarily needed.TheMightyOzaru wrote: Vegetto doesn't explicitly say he doesn't need SSJ though. There is a 50 times gap between his base and SSJ form.
Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
Nothing says Base Vegetto ~ Gotenks-Boo. I think he went he went SSjin because he was much weaker than Gohan-BooSuperSaiyan2 wrote:Equal to SSJ 3 Gogeta, so slightly stronger than Bootenks. Easily disposed of by Boohan.
SSjin 3 Gogeta ~ Gotenks-Boo WDF?
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
It is one way to interpret it, but there is nothing that proves that it's definitely true. So in the end, it comes down to how we interpret it.hleV wrote:If SS Vegetto didn't realize his power (at first, at least), it means he didn't realize his base power as well, which means that him going SS was not necessarily needed.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How strong is Base Vegetto?
General consesnus seems to be either
Base Vegito = Buutenks
Base Vegito = Mystic Gohan
Base Vegito = Buuhan
Question is which ones seems most accurate.
Base Vegito = Buutenks
Base Vegito = Mystic Gohan
Base Vegito = Buuhan
Question is which ones seems most accurate.
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Interpret what? I'm only saying that there's no hard proof that Vegetto needed SS, not that he definitely didn't need it...DBZGTKOSDH wrote: It is one way to interpret it, but there is nothing that proves that it's definitely true. So in the end, it comes down to how we interpret it.