Can scouters detect godly ki?

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Would a scouter register/overload from god ki or just read it as 0?

[Blade]

Even Goku at the start of Battle of Gods couldn't entirely grasp Godly ki, and Piccolo was the only one of the Z fighters to be able to sense it in Kaioshin at the start of the Buu arc.

GIven that scouters tend to be (a fairly inaccurate means) of ki detection used by beings that can't sense it on their own, it seems unlikely that it would be able to measure its 'Godly' alternative.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I guess the numbers would go crazy, or it would simply write "ERROR" or something similar. Godly ki is not undetectable (like the Artificial Human's "ki"), it's immeasurable.

[Gutsxgoku]

When did the scouters become obsolete? During Freeza arc? They just kept breaking every time someone got around the power of freeza or super saiya-jin... Were they ever seriously used again? If so I would say that if a scouter even attempted to read a godly ki level it would just break right off the bat. They have proven to be useless technology when it came to our Z warriors even in the Vegeta arc due to their ability to mask their true ki. In summation I would say if scouters were useless within a few episodes of DBZ, they would definitely prove useless when attempting to detect a godly ki.

[Bussani]

I guess the numbers would go crazy, or it would simply write "ERROR" or something similar. Godly ki is not undetectable (like the Artificial Human's "ki"), it's immeasurable.

But wasn't Goku unable to detect it when it was coming towards him? It doesn't seem like it's simply immeasurable, but that you can't even tell it's there. Like the ki from the environment around you, I think a scouter might not even notice it.

That said, I think people are a bit harsh on the scouters. They had their flaws, but it seems as though they had one or two advantages, at least early on in the story when they didn't explode constantly. After all, if we're to believe that scouter readings don't change (except with beings who can control their ki, who are "rare") and that this means Vegeta and Nappa's battle powers never changed, then a scouter must have been able to tell how strong they were from the start, whereas the Earthlings couldn't tell exactly how menacing their ki was until they let it out and started punching arms off.

[Gutsxgoku]

I guess the numbers would go crazy, or it would simply write "ERROR" or something similar. Godly ki is not undetectable (like the Artificial Human's "ki"), it's immeasurable.

But wasn't Goku unable to detect it when it was coming towards him? It doesn't seem like it's simply immeasurable, but that you can't even tell it's there. Like the ki from the environment around you, I think a scouter might not even notice it.

That said, I think people are a bit harsh on the scouters. They had their flaws, but it seems as though they had one or two advantages, at least early on in the story when they didn't explode constantly. After all, if we're to believe that scouter readings don't change (except with beings who can control their ki, who are "rare") and that this means Vegeta and Nappa's battle powers never changed, then a scouter must have been able to tell how strong they were from the start, whereas the Earthlings couldn't tell exactly how menacing their ki was until they let it out and started punching arms off.

The only reason they were useful was finding people... When it came to actually reading power levels they were a huge failure. Mainly due to the fact that even when powered up almost everyone could up their ki by channeling it. When it comes to that incident I don't think it mattered if the Z warriors knew Vegeta and Nappa's ki, they would have fought and held out as long as they could for Goku no matter what. This once again proves that even if the Z warriors had scouters they would be useless. Sorry to destroy your comment but realistically, knowing your enemies ki proved useless time after time... Hence the fact that they were completely gone after Freeza arc if I am not mistaken.

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Of course they can...

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Blade wrote:
Even Goku at the start of Battle of Gods couldn't entirely grasp Godly ki, and Piccolo was the only one of the Z fighters to be able to sense it in Kaioshin at the start of the Buu arc.

I think the Piccolo wasn't able to sense because if he did he definitely would be affraid of Beerus, but he carelessly sang karaoke , and it isn't clarified that Kaioshins do possess the same Ki like Beerus, the SSJ God and Whis do. Piccolo guessed somehow that East Kaioshin is a "God" as he was was familiar from somewhere to him. And Beerus stated that the energy that he has is not expressed in battle power... East Kaioshin were somewhere as strong like a MSSJ, but weaker than a SSJ2, and Vegeta knew that the Kaioshin is weaker than him and Goku, and possibly Gohan., but Piccolo wasn't MSSJ Tier in Buu Arc.

And I think scouters could not detect Godly energy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But wasn't Goku unable to detect it when it was coming towards him? It doesn't seem like it's simply immeasurable, but that you can't even tell it's there. Like the ki from the environment around you, I think a scouter might not even notice it.

But Kaio & Dende/Kami have been shown to be detectable in the manga, and in BoG, Kuririn said that he can't tell how strong Goku is, not that he can't feel his power at all. We know that if someone with normal ki is weak, it's harder to find him, so I guess it works the same for people that can't be sensed properly.

[Saitou Hajime]

I've always thought of godly ki as being similar to the reiatsu of transcendental beings like Ichigo and Aizen's at the end of the Deicide arc, where there power was so above the rest that it was on a completely different dimension, and so it can't be felt unless they deliberately lower themselves to the same dimension as the other.

[Bussani]

Sorry to destroy your comment

I don't think saying "ki sensing doesn't make a difference either way" destroys my comment at all, personally. One method can still have advantages the other doesn't even if neither would affect the outcome of a battle.

But Kaio & Dende/Kami have been shown to be detectable in the manga

Are we sure they have "Godly ki", then? It seems logical, but it makes me wonder if Toriyama had even thought of it. Is it a retcon that we're supposed to try to apply to everyone with the "god" title in the manga now, or was it something he might have had in mind all along (I would have thought it would have been mentioned somewhere before Battle of Gods if that was the case, but anything's possible). Just so it's clear, I'm not trying to disagree with you at all--I'm just wondering about this stuff.

and in BoG, Kuririn said that he can't tell how strong Goku is, not that he can't feel his power at all. We know that if someone with normal ki is weak, it's harder to find him, so I guess it works the same for people that can't be sensed properly.

That's not the impression I got from Goku not being able to tell they were approaching, but it's a good idea.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Are we sure they have "Godly ki", then? It seems logical, but it makes me wonder if Toriyama had even thought of it. Is it a retcon that we're supposed to try to apply to everyone with the "god" title in the manga now, or was it something he might have had in mind all along (I would have thought it would have been mentioned somewhere before Battle of Gods if that was the case, but anything's possible).

I have a feeling that he had thought of godly ki, or at least had something in his mind, since Piccolo (who had merged with a god) could tell that Kaioshin was a god & that he was much stronger than him, and Dabra said that they couldn't use the energy from Kaioshin & Kibito (gods) to revive Majin Boo. And even in BoG, the statement about godly ki was made when Goku had teleported to Kaio, and even attempted to teleport to Kaioshin. So, I'll stick with "godly ki can be sensed, but not measured", because it doesn't make sense otherwise.