You say read it again but all you've done is modified the comments slightly and they still come off as you saying Superman is superior to the Flash.
I believe Flash's Infinite Mass Punch is superior to ALL of Superman's maximum strength feats. I mean, what maximum strength feat of Superman's surpassed infinity exactly? There isn't one. And I don't know why you say Superman is consistently shown to be stronger than the Flash when that is not true. For starters, the Flash hardly has any opponents in which to show his full potential. He can hardly go around Infinite Mass Punching people who aren't of Superman's durability. Most of his enemies are like Batmans, they have human level durability so they would be atomized. Even so. When are Superman and the Flash ever compared in terms of strength? Both Superman and the Flash pull their punches on enemies that are too weak to take their full power. It just so happens that the Flash has weaker villains than Superman most of the time. The Flash has only had two real villains that are actually require amazing strength to beat. A White Martian, who has the same durability as Superman, which he knocked out using the IMP and Dr. Zoom who uses the Speed Force so he could negate some of the damage(As he is a regular human so if he didn't have the Speed Force protecting him he would be kille) from the IMP but it still knocked him out cold.
rereboy wrote:(the maximum strength feats of Superman surpass the maximum strength feats of Flash and Superman is consistently shown to be stronger
Just because the Flash has only shown a feat that surpasses all of Superman's only a couple of times does not make him inferior to Superman because he does those types of feats all the time.
rereboy wrote:Flash just achieves something greater than Superman in strength when the authors feel like it, instead of being consistently superior as he should be if they followed physics consistently. I thought this was self evident when I said that Flash is not stronger than Superman when he should be). So, even those kind of comics only are consistent regarding stuff like that when they want to.
So. Hypothetically, if I can destroy the universe and I never show it then that makes me weaker than a character who destroys cities or moons? The Flash achieves greater things than Superman when there is a need to, yes. But that doesn't mean that when he is just rounding up bank robbers with Guns that he is inferior to Superman just because he isn't throwing around punches with the explosive power of a star.
rereboy wrote:In fact, if we care for physics, then all speedsters are kind of "dumb" because their power would necessarily mean that they not only would be the fastest, but also the strongest (thanks to their speed) and the most resistant (in order to resist running and attacking and being hit at the speed of light and so on).
How is that the case? Not all speedsters use the Speed Force. Only a select few. And why does it make them the strongest or the most resistant? For resistance they only gain that protection from the Speed Force. It also depends on how efficiently they can use the energy from the Speed Force. As I said before, the Flash prior to learning more about the Speed Force could be hurt by his own punches. It is uncertain under what conditions their resistance works. Dr. Zoom who was fighting the Flash was knocked out by an IMP. That shows that they aren't impervious. The Kid Flash uses the Speed Force but he could never go above a couple of mach's. Just because you are a speedster and you have access to the Speed Force doesn't mean you are automatically a god.
rereboy wrote:Yeah, he did those feats a few times. And other times we got knocked out or beat embarrassingly and totally incoherently with the speed, strength and resistance he should have. Like I said, that only matters when the authors want. In Flash's case they might explain it by saying "oh, he didn't use the speed force correctly", but that's just a general and convenient excuse. And other speedsters like Mercury in Marvel don't even have such excuses.
I don't know what comics you are reading but the Flash has never been beaten embarrassingly. And after those huge feats he has never had a problem he couldn't handle. Sure, in the beginning when the Flash wasn't powerful he had difficulty fighting villains. Superman had the same problem in the beginning. Superman was not amazingly strong at the start. He became that strong eventually. It is the same with the Flash. He couldn't use the Speed Force well at the beginning. In fact, at the start he didn't know such a thing existed. But like a martial art he learned about it and got better at using it. For all manner of things. The "Oh, he didn't use the Speed Force correctly" excuses was when he didn't understand how to use the Speed Force. It wasn't just a convenient
excuse. He never had a problem punching with the IMP after his first one. They don't just drag that out when there is something that goes wrong. It never happens anymore unless it is a new character who doesn't know how to use the Speed Force.
Also, who is Mercury? You also realise that the Speed Force doesn't exist in the Marvel Universe, right? In the cross over between DC and Marvel the Flash had to use special gear to store Speed Force energy so he could run in the Marvel Universe. And when the energy was close to running out he would have to go back to the DC universe to top up. Are you by chance on about Alex Mercury from the DC universe? Yes, he was a speester with an affinity for the Speed Force. But that just means he has the potential to be as powerful as the Flash. That doesn't automatically give him god-like strength. He has to learn how to use the Speed Force like the Flash did.
rereboy wrote:In short, if they actually followed physics consistently (and everything else consistently) then, you are right, Flash is stronger than Superman. But they don't, which is my WHOLE point. As a result, Superman's strengh feats are superior and he is portrayed consistently as stronger, with Flash occasionally doing something greater than Superman when the authors feel like it.
But this was all an example to demonstrate how inconsistent they are even when they care about physics, so regarding Dragon Ball stuff like that is just a lost cause.
Again, when is Superman's feats shown to be superior than the Flash's? He is not consistently shown as stronger. They never fight the same villains. The Flash never goes up against the same enemies as Superman so how can you judge their respective strengths and say the Flash is weaker?
In fact, Pre-Crisis Superman is extremely more powerful than Post-Crisis Superman (Essentially they de-powered a lot of super hero's after the Crisis period) who would just about beat Pre-Crisis Darkseid and the current Flash would defeat Darkseid if he went into the fight with the intention of going all out. And a majority of people also think this on comic sites.
So that basically tells you:
Post-Crisis Flash 100%(Flash was actually weaker before the Crisis) > Pre-Crisis Superman > Pre-Crisis Darkseid >>>>>>>>>>>>> Post-Crisis Superman.