Could Tenshinhan's Kikoho or Dodonpa be a planet buster?

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Could Tenshinhan's Kikoho or Dodonpa be a planet buster?

Post by Angelus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:28 pm

At full power. Goku never charges up a full power kamehameha targeting the ground or else it would destroy the Earth. The kamehameha was a technique that was used waaaay back in the dragon ball manga just like Tien's tribeam and dodon ray. What do you think?
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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:50 pm

If he's strong enough, then logically it would be.

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Post by hleV » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:55 pm

Perhaps not to an extent of completely evaporating a planet, but destroying it to bits? He may be able to pull it off. 18,000 Vegeta was going to, wasn't he?

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Post by FoolsGil » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:07 pm

Sure. Power a blast strong enough to hit the core, why not?
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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:11 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Sure. Power a blast strong enough to hit the core, why not?
I took him over 20 blasts on Cell to make a sizable hole in the ground. Not only that but he was nearly dead after doing the Kikoho Barrage. Now if he had the stamina to endure the attack's strain until it hit the planets core, perhaps but I dont see him lasting long enough to hit that point.

Granted it was powerful enough to stop Imperfect Cell for a small amount of time so maybe if he had Kaio-ken he may be able to do it. But combine that with the strain of his Kikoho and I doubt hed be able to fire off anymore than 3 blasts before passing out and/or dying.
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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:25 pm

It's a kiai technique, so no.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:27 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's a kiai technique, so no.
Why, if I may ask?

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Post by singsing » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:32 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:Sure. Power a blast strong enough to hit the core, why not?
I took him over 20 blasts on Cell to make a sizable hole in the ground. Not only that but he was nearly dead after doing the Kikoho Barrage. Now if he had the stamina to endure the attack's strain until it hit the planets core, perhaps but I dont see him lasting long enough to hit that point.

Granted it was powerful enough to stop Imperfect Cell for a small amount of time so maybe if he had Kaio-ken he may be able to do it. But combine that with the strain of his Kikoho and I doubt hed be able to fire off anymore than 3 blasts before passing out and/or dying.
Yes, because the main characters always make sure their blasts will destroy the planet. Do you really think Vegeta's self-destruct was weaker than Freeza's death ball? One blew up the planet and one blew up less than a city. That's not a really good comparison IMO.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:35 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's a kiai technique, so no.
Why, if I may ask?
From what we've seen, the attacks that destroy planets are big ball types (like Freeza's & Pure Boo's ki blast) or big ki blasts (like Super Kamehameha & Gyarik-Ho), when they are strong enough, and when they are fired to the core of the planet. A kiai doesn't have the same range, nor the same destructive power to do that (it doesn't explode, it destroys whatever is in its range).

Plus, Tenshinhan fired so many of them, yet nothing happened. Which proves my point.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:42 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Plus, Tenshinhan fired so many of them, yet nothing happened. Which proves my point.
Yeah, but Super Gotenks fired off dozens of ki blasts at the Earth and nothing happened. Unless the characters are intending to destroy the planet, it's hard to gauge what they are actually capable of.
Plus Cell took the brunt of the blasts anyway.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:45 pm

dbgtFO wrote:Yeah, but Super Gotenks fired off dozens of ki blasts at the Earth and nothing happened.
Big ball types or large ki blasts. All other types don't have the destructive power & range to destroy a planet.
Plus Cell took the brunt of the blasts anyway.
The blasts went past Cell, judging from the ground.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:55 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's a kiai technique, so no.
It is not a kiai technique, why would Tenshinhan put all his energy into a one handed Kikoho against Nappa if it was just a kiai?
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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:03 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's a kiai technique, so no.
It is not a kiai technique, why would Tenshinhan put all his energy into a one handed Kikoho against Nappa if it was just a kiai?
It's a kiai technique, not just a kiai.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:05 pm

Big ball types or large ki blasts. All other types don't have the destructive power & range to destroy a planet.
They all have the destructive power, otherwise they wouldn't hurt whoever is being shot with the blast. Also, Pure Buu disagrees with the notion that you need a big beam or ball. The guidebooks explain that the fighters can just compress their powers to only affect a small area. Theoretically, any attack is capable of blowing the planet to bits with enough power behind it, the person firing it just has to want it that way, and choose not to condense it.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Big ball types or large ki blasts. All other types don't have the destructive power & range to destroy a planet.
They all have the destructive power, otherwise they wouldn't hurt whoever is being shot with the blast. Also, Pure Buu disagrees with the notion that you need a big beam or ball. The guidebooks explain that the fighters can just compress their powers to only affect a small area. Theoretically, any attack is capable of blowing the planet to bits with enough power behind it, the person firing it just has to want it that way, and choose not to condense it.
If they are compressed, it means that they don't have the destructive power to destroy a planet.

And how does Boo disagree? He created a big ball to destroy Earth.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Big ball types or large ki blasts. All other types don't have the destructive power & range to destroy a planet.
They all have the destructive power, otherwise they wouldn't hurt whoever is being shot with the blast. Also, Pure Buu disagrees with the notion that you need a big beam or ball. The guidebooks explain that the fighters can just compress their powers to only affect a small area. Theoretically, any attack is capable of blowing the planet to bits with enough power behind it, the person firing it just has to want it that way, and choose not to condense it.
If they are compressed, it means that they don't have the destructive power to destroy a planet.

And how does Boo disagree? He created a big ball to destroy Earth.
No, the power is still there, it's just in a small area and doesn't cause collateral damage. If those attacks didn't have the power to destroy planets, they wouldn't harm any of the people they were used on.

No, he created a tiny, baseball-sized ki blast to destroy the Earth. He only charged up another one after Vegeta knocked the first one away.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Could Tenshinhan's Tribeam be a planet buster?

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's a kiai technique, so no.
It is not a kiai technique, why would Tenshinhan put all his energy into a one handed Kikoho against Nappa if it was just a kiai?
It's a kiai technique, not just a kiai.
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:The secret weapon of the Tsuru-sen School. It concentrates a kiai into one point, then releases it in a single burst. Its main difference between ki blast-type techniques is that its trajectory cannot be seen. Its destructive power is formidable enough to instantly obliterate the Tenkaichi Budoukai arena. Indeed, it is a technique characteristic of the Tsuru-sen School, whose objective is to mercilessly kill people. Because this technique heavily uses up one's internal energy, it can only be used to decide the match in a single shot. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206 / Daizenshuu 4, p.111)
Then if a kiai technique was used it an attempt to obliterate Nappa-and fail-it can blow up a planet.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:No, the power is still there, it's just in a small area and doesn't cause collateral damage. If those attacks didn't have the power to destroy planets, they wouldn't harm any of the people they were used on.
A planet isn't a person. If a ki blast can't destroy a planet, but can kill someone like Freeza or Cell, then it means that the ki blast has the destructive power to kill them, but not to destroy a planet.
No, he created a tiny, baseball-sized ki blast to destroy the Earth. He only charged up another one after Vegeta knocked the first one away.
I just remembered Ultimate Gohan's ki blast that went through the Earth (but missed its core). So, it seems that small ki blasts with high concentrated power can also blow up planets, but they have to be at least Pure Boo level from what we know.
FoolsGil wrote:Then if a kiai technique was used it an attempt to obliterate Nappa-and fail-it can blow up a planet.
How can it blow up a planet?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by FoolsGil » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:51 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:How can it blow up a planet?

...huh? How can any attack blow up a planet really?
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Post by Hitiro » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:58 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:How can it blow up a planet?
It disintegrated the ground. Why could it not disintegrate part of, or the whole of, a core and make it destabilized like on planet Namek?

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