Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
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Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
Basically what the title says. Did he master it similar to how Goku/Gohan/Goten/Trunks did?
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
Vegeta fighting a Cell Jr.
SSJ Grade 4 Goku and Gohan
Notice the shared pale whitish yellow hair color they have. I'm inclined to say yes.
SSJ Grade 4 Goku and Gohan
Notice the shared pale whitish yellow hair color they have. I'm inclined to say yes.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
That's a feature of any aura-less Super Saiyan in the anime; see the final part of Goku vs Freeza, Trunks' first appearance etc.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Notice the shared pale whitish yellow hair color they have.
Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
Yes. It is highly indicated by the fact that Vegeta realized what training Goku & Gohan undergone in ROSAT and admitted that it's the best way, and was confident after his 2nd trip to ROSAT. SSFP is also identified by a different aura (similar to SS Grade II and Grade III), which Vegeta displayed once or twice in the Cell Games, and Trunks displayed against Cell of his own time. His 2nd trip to the ROSAT benefited him less than Goku & Gohan because went in alone.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
I'd assume so, yes. If you assume that one needs to master the form in order to achieve SSJ2, then most definitely.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
It's all but confirmed that Vegeta mastered SSJ after his second trip in the ROSAT. At the Cell Games Vegeta's appearance as a SSJ is very similar to that of Goku's when he mastered SSJ.
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He definitely mastered it by the Buu saga. Cell Games is debatable.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
I would say so, yes.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
If Vegeta had mastered Super Saiyan in the same fashion as Goku I think he would appear already transformed in the Cell Games. But I think he at least realized the advantages of that kind of training, but wasn't able to reach Goku's level.
Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
Goku and Gohan were still training after they left the room, and they left early. They don't stay Super Saiyan after the Cell Games despite having mastered the form.Hugo Boss wrote:If Vegeta had mastered Super Saiyan in the same fashion as Goku I think he would appear already transformed in the Cell Games. But I think he at least realized the advantages of that kind of training, but wasn't able to reach Goku's level.
I don't think staying Super Saiyan is necessary after you've completed the training, so Vegeta and Trunks completed theirs by using their full year. They just didn't get as strong due to not training as effectively.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
I think that the fact that he's astonished at how much Goku stood ahead of him during the Cell games implies that he has yet to command full mastery over Super Saiyan at that time.
By the Buu arc he has grown considerably stronger due to constant training after the defeat of Cell, so it's implicit (to the point where it's nonsensical that he wouldn't have) that he's reached that level. It's never really stated, though, as by that time Super Saiyan 2 is the benchmark, so it would be somewhat irrelevant to the plot to go into the subject by that point anyway.
By the Buu arc he has grown considerably stronger due to constant training after the defeat of Cell, so it's implicit (to the point where it's nonsensical that he wouldn't have) that he's reached that level. It's never really stated, though, as by that time Super Saiyan 2 is the benchmark, so it would be somewhat irrelevant to the plot to go into the subject by that point anyway.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
They stayed Super Saiyan while outside the RoSaT as well though.Saiga wrote:Goku and Gohan were still training after they left the room, and they left early. They don't stay Super Saiyan after the Cell Games despite having mastered the form.Hugo Boss wrote:If Vegeta had mastered Super Saiyan in the same fashion as Goku I think he would appear already transformed in the Cell Games. But I think he at least realized the advantages of that kind of training, but wasn't able to reach Goku's level.
I don't think staying Super Saiyan is necessary after you've completed the training, so Vegeta and Trunks completed theirs by using their full year. They just didn't get as strong due to not training as effectively.
Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
They were still training outside of ROSAT.
Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
Didn't Goku and Gohan say they are going to rest for 3 days train for 3 and rest for 3 for the 9 days before the games.
They don't turn it off even when they are lounging about.
It's obviously beneficial to have kept it on until the walk into the arena or they would have at least turned it off the night before.
The fact that Vegeta and Trunks aren't doing the same thing implies they aren't as good/far along. Otherwise why not have Gohan and Goku with black hair starting the games or Trunks and Vegeta staying blonde.
They don't turn it off even when they are lounging about.
It's obviously beneficial to have kept it on until the walk into the arena or they would have at least turned it off the night before.
The fact that Vegeta and Trunks aren't doing the same thing implies they aren't as good/far along. Otherwise why not have Gohan and Goku with black hair starting the games or Trunks and Vegeta staying blonde.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
If it were beneficial to keep it on, Goku and Gohan would still be doing in in the Boo arc. Clearly you reach the point where you don't need to stay in a constant SS state.
If Vegeta and Trunks hadn't finished mastering it, they'd be Super Saiyans at the Cell Games. Because that's what they have to do to keep training it. It makes no sense to assume they stopped part way.
Trunks is clearly a SSFP from his aura by the time he goes back to the future. We don't see him lounging as a Super Saiyan any time between the Cell Games and showing the form off to Bulma, so clearly he had it done before-hand. His and Vegeta's auras from the Cell Games also match the SSFP aura at certain points.
If Vegeta and Trunks hadn't finished mastering it, they'd be Super Saiyans at the Cell Games. Because that's what they have to do to keep training it. It makes no sense to assume they stopped part way.
Trunks is clearly a SSFP from his aura by the time he goes back to the future. We don't see him lounging as a Super Saiyan any time between the Cell Games and showing the form off to Bulma, so clearly he had it done before-hand. His and Vegeta's auras from the Cell Games also match the SSFP aura at certain points.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
SSJ Goku on planet Namek had pale white gold hair whenever he didn't have an aura surrounding him. Even Vegeta had the same hair against #19 and #18, not to mention against Cell when he wasn't powering up. Besides, mastering a form wouldn't change hair color, it didn't change Goku's looks at all during the Cell Games.KentalSSJ6 wrote: Notice the shared pale whitish yellow hair color they have. I'm inclined to say yes.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
Stop looking at the DBWikia!KentalSSJ6 wrote:Notice the shared pale whitish yellow hair color they have. I'm inclined to say yes.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
I never thought so, Goku's training methods were always superior to Vegeta's. Whereas Vegeta just pushes forces his body and muscles to new limits via pushups situps and plenty of juice, Goku was calm enough to realize that ki mastery is the way to go, enhancing the strength of the Super Saiyan itself and not just your own strength. If Vegeta was a Full-Power Super Saiyan at the Cell Games, then that would mean he would have as much ki as Goku did and thus be just as strong, or at least close to it. But he clearly wasn't. There was never any indication that he went through the same process Goku took Gohan through, nor can I picture him having the patience to do that anyway. On his second trip to the chamber he likely tried to replicate Goku's results the old fashioned way, and we can see that he failed miserably. Considering his 7 years before Buu were apparently just a lot more gravity training, I'm inclined to believe that he never achieved the mastery then either.
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Re: Did Vegeta master Super Saiyan 1?
Goku and Gohan trained together to achieve that mastery, and I doubt Vegeta decided to turn over a new leaf on the second trip into the chamber and train with Trunks the same way.
Plus if he had, he wouldn't have been so amazed by Goku's power in the Cell Games. Goku might still be stronger, but not THAT much stronger.
Plus if he had, he wouldn't have been so amazed by Goku's power in the Cell Games. Goku might still be stronger, but not THAT much stronger.
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