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I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by EXBadguy » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:58 am

I've been trying to figure it out for a while whenever I watch the movie once in a while, so can anyone tell me where does it actually take place? Is it during the middle of the Buu saga?
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Super Vegetto » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:09 am

They follow anime line...

Movie 12 is between episode 258 Super Moves of Gotenks and 259 Trapped in Forever

So yeah, middle of Buu saga...

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:38 am

Trying to find a timeline where Fusion Reborn fits in can be a real headache. Fusion Reborn to me, takes place in an alternate timeline where after Vegeta fails to defeat Majin Boo and Goku returns to Heaven after teaching Goten and Trunks the Fusion Dance, Gotenks is successful in killing Majin Boo, and also, for some reason, Vegeta wasn't brought back to life with the Dragon Balls. That is the only scenario where Fusion Reborn can possibly take place.
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by NitroEX » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:27 pm

I think Fusion Reborn would only make sense if Vegeta's explosion did manage to kill Buu (Since he's not around in the real world).

It's the only way I can think of to explain why Vegeta is already dead in that film.
Lord Beerus wrote:Goku returns to Heaven after teaching Goten and Trunks the Fusion Dance, Gotenks is successful in killing Majin Boo
That works too!
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Sinestro » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:27 pm

I gave up trying to figure out any sort of timeline for this movie.

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:35 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Trying to find a timeline where Fusion Reborn fits in can be a real headache. Fusion Reborn to me, takes place in an alternate timeline where after Vegeta fails to defeat Majin Boo and Goku returns to Heaven after teaching Goten and Trunks the Fusion Dance, Gotenks is successful in killing Majin Boo, and also, for some reason, Vegeta wasn't brought back to life with the Dragon Balls. That is the only scenario where Fusion Reborn can possibly take place.
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Dayspring » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:40 pm

Movie 12 doesn't fit. It somehow shares continuity with the first 11 films while taking place in a world in which Gotenks or Gohan killed Super Boo.
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:48 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Trying to find a timeline where Fusion Reborn fits in can be a real headache. Fusion Reborn to me, takes place in an alternate timeline where after Vegeta fails to defeat Majin Boo and Goku returns to Heaven after teaching Goten and Trunks the Fusion Dance, Gotenks is successful in killing Majin Boo, and also, for some reason, Vegeta wasn't brought back to life with the Dragon Balls. That is the only scenario where Fusion Reborn can possibly take place.
Why Gotenks and not Ultimate Gohan? :?
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:58 pm

Toriyama states that DBZ Movies 1-13 take place in their own dimension. I think Movie 12 is set in a Universe where Gohan kills Buu which is why Fat Buu is nowhere to be seen with Mr. Satan in the movie. People still debate if Gohan was mystic or not in Movie 12 but I think he was. After what Beerus said about Goku unable to beat Freeza in his base form, I think Gohan was mystic in Fusion Reborn. I doubt he would have killed Freeza as base Gohan.
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Super Vegetto » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:41 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Toriyama states that DBZ Movies 1-13 take place in their own dimension. I think Movie 12 is set in a Universe where Gohan kills Buu which is why Fat Buu is nowhere to be seen with Mr. Satan in the movie. People still debate if Gohan was mystic or not in Movie 12 but I think he was. After what Beerus said about Goku unable to beat Freeza in his base form, I think Gohan was mystic in Fusion Reborn. I doubt he would have killed Freeza as base Gohan.
I would go the other way,,,SSJ Gotenks killed Boo since it was all about Gotenks at that point...

I dont think that Gohan was Mystic. Most logical explanation is that Frieza is at his suppressed power, not 100%...

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Barunks » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:08 pm

I just thought of it as assuming Goku killed Buu himself in his first encounter with him rather than waiting on the boys to do it.

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Tectorman » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:39 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Trying to find a timeline where Fusion Reborn fits in can be a real headache. Fusion Reborn to me, takes place in an alternate timeline where after Vegeta fails to defeat Majin Boo and Goku returns to Heaven after teaching Goten and Trunks the Fusion Dance, Gotenks is successful in killing Majin Boo, and also, for some reason, Vegeta wasn't brought back to life with the Dragon Balls. That is the only scenario where Fusion Reborn can possibly take place.
Oh, have a little faith. :D There are plenty of other scenarios to put Fusion Reborn into the timeline.

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Duo » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:22 am

EXBadguy wrote:I've been trying to figure it out for a while whenever I watch the movie once in a while, so can anyone tell me where does it actually take place? Is it during the middle of the Buu saga?
The movies aren't written to fit the main timeline. The fact two of them fit easily (9 and 13) is basically a lucky coincidence.

M12 requires either Gotenks or Gohan to have defeated Majin Buu. This creates an ending to Z where Vegeta and Goku are dead in the end. I actually really enjoy M12 as an alternate continuity that has Gohan defeating Majin Buu, and all of that together would have been a wonderful ending to the series.
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Dayspring » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:15 pm

Barunks wrote:I just thought of it as assuming Goku killed Buu himself in his first encounter with him rather than waiting on the boys to do it.
This makes it so that Trunks and Goten don't learn fusion, though, but the film features Gotenks.
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:22 pm

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I dont think that Gohan was Mystic. Most logical explanation is that Freeza is at his suppressed power, not 100%...
If Buu saga Gohan was weaker then his Cell saga counter part then I doubt Buu saga Base Gohan can kill Freeza in final form or his 100% form. His hair in the movie looked like his mystic form from what I can remember.
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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Super Vegetto » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:51 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
Super Vegetto wrote:
I dont think that Gohan was Mystic. Most logical explanation is that Freeza is at his suppressed power, not 100%...
If Buu saga Gohan was weaker then his Cell saga counter part then I doubt Buu saga Base Gohan can kill Freeza in final form or his 100% form. His hair in the movie looked like his mystic form from what I can remember.
Goku put up equal fight against Frieza in his base back on Namek, so i dont see a problem..

Gohans hair is a myth,,we cant base everything on it...

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by rereboy » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:51 am

Super Vegetto wrote:
Goku put up equal fight against Freeza in his base back on Namek, so i dont see a problem..

Gohans hair is a myth,,we cant base everything on it...
Goku needed Kaioken x20 to match Freeza's 50% power and Freeza still overcame it.

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by Super Vegetto » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:47 pm

rereboy wrote:
Super Vegetto wrote:
Goku put up equal fight against Freeza in his base back on Namek, so i dont see a problem..

Gohans hair is a myth,,we cant base everything on it...
Goku needed Kaioken x20 to match Freeza's 50% power and Freeza still overcame it.
Before Frieza used 50% they had equal fight.

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by 90sDBZ » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:15 pm

I tend to go with the Gohan killing Super Buu theory when it comes to Movie 12. Vegeta killing Fat Buu makes no sense, as Gotenks wouldn't exist if that were the case. As for the rest:

Movie 1: Goku not letting go of Raditz' tail
Movies 2-4: Frieza not being on Namek and everyone getting wished back easily
Movies 5-7: Goku beating Frieza faster, actually killing him, and then getting sent back to earth with everyone else and not mastering being able to turn Super Saiyan at will. The only problem with this is that it contradicts him using Instant Transmission in Movie 6. I guess maybe movie 5 fits into something very similar to the main timeline, except Goku doesn't master turning Super Saiyan on Yardrat for whatever reason. Then by movie 6 Kami merged with Piccolo as an extra measure before the Android invasion and then killed them before Vegeta could even reveal he could turn Super Saiyan. They also got Dende to be the Guardian of earth either during or after the Android invasion in order to revive the casualties.
Movie 8: Goku kills Cell
Movie 9: Actually fits in fine with the main timeline
Movies 10-11: Being sequels to movie 8 it wouldn't make sense for Goku to have died at the Cell Games. So instead lets say he and Vegeta were killed by Buu, who was then killed by an enraged Gohan (who trained during the 7 years due to Goku being alive and encouraging him)
Movie 13: Fits in fine

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Re: I'm confused by the timeline of Movie 12/Fusion Reborn

Post by mister yummy » Thu May 14, 2015 5:44 am

Tectorman wrote: Oh, have a little faith. :D There are plenty of other scenarios to put Fusion Reborn into the timeline.

For example, mine:
I've got a simpler one. Goku and Vegita die on purpose to take part in the Annoyichi Budokai seen at the beginning of the movie. King yenma eas having a bad day, and sent Vegita to hell, so Vegita didn't get to participate. After the movie, both are wished back, and never mention it again.

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