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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:17 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:If in the hypothetical Otherworld Saga, Great Saiyaman Saga, World Tournament Saga, and Babidi Sagas of this same separate timeline, Future Son Goku, Future Son Gohan, Future Son Goten, and Future Mr. Piccolo had been rather diligently training under Future King Kai in the Future Otherworld since the defeat of Future Android 17 and Future Android 18, and Future Babidi had managed to search for and then convert the likes of Super Saiyan 2 Future Turles, Great Namek Future Lord Slug (Youth Restored), Fifth Form Future Cooler, and the First Form of Future Janemba into Majins before having gone to Future Earth, how different do you think the events would have played out if in the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament, Future Son Gohan in a fit of rage over Future Videl being beaten, had his current strongest transformation at the time evolve into a level even beyond that and used it on Majin Spopovitch?
I think it's more appropriate for me to answer your what if scenario question here.

[spoiler]To understand you correctly, this is an alternate timeline, most likely the Unseen Timeline in which there is no Cell Games and Androids were defeated. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Piccolo are alive in the real world and if they are, they cannot train in the Otherworld. However, let us suppose that Goku, Vegeta, Gohan did not slack off training during the 7 year gap after the Androids. Babidi, a wizard, and son of Bibidi has managed to use his powers to weaken the seal on the Demon Realm and free one person. Instead of Dabura, it is Towa, Dabura's sister that comes out. Babidi uses the Majin magic to control her. Towa is still a kid at this time, but she is still able to user her dark magic. Babidi makes Towa open wormholes to different eras. They find Turles, Slug, Kooler, and Janemba before they were killed and turn them into Majin.

The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai occurs. Gohan is enraged and turns SSJ3 after Videl is beaten by Spopovich. Shin uses his ability to freeze Gohan temporarily which allows Spopovich and Yamu to collect Gohan's energy. Kibito restores Gohan's energy. The Z senshi follow Spopovich to Babidi's ship. Slug appears outside of Babidi's ship to stop Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan. Slug has torn off his ears and remembers the last time he was defeated so whistling will no longer work. The warriors play rock paper scissors. Goku wins and defeats Lord Slug in his base form without turning SSJ with a single punch. Shin warns them to devise a strategy and not enter Babidi's ship. Krillin, Piccolo, and Kibito listen and decide to retreat. Kibito goes back to planet Kaishin while Piccolo and Krillin go to Kami's lookout. Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan do not heed Shin's warning and enter Babidi's ship with Shin. Meanwhile, Babidi puts the energy Spopovich collected and the meter already says more than half has been collected for Buu's revival. Pui Pui and Yakon have been replaced by Turles, Cooler, and Janemba. Cooler is the next enemy. Vegeta wins rock paper scissors and defeats fifth form Majin Cooler in his SSJ form, blasting him to pieces. The next enemy is Turles. Gohan remembers Turles from his childhood and tells him that he's not a little kid anymore. Turles who had eaten another Shinseijuu fruit, has had his battle power increased 20x and with Majin, has further increased his power. He immediately turns into SSJ2 and attacks Gohan. Gohan smirks and turns SSJ2 as well, dodging Turles and kicking him in the face. The fight continues for a while but Gohan who has a much higher base battle power, has a much stronger SSJ2, and easily defeats Turles. The Saiyans have reached the third level of Babidi's ship. The last warrior is a fat yellow Majin Janemba. Without doing rock paper scissors, Vegeta is irritated and blasts Janemba in the face. Janemba just smiles. Vegeta turns SSJ2 and uses a Final Flash. Janemba regenerates into his second form and then starts to thrash Vegeta. Vegeta continues to fight Janemba in SSJ3.

Eventually, enough energy has been collected for Buu's revival. Pink smoke starts to rise in the sky. Fat Buu is released. Babidi tells Buu that he knows the spell to seal him back into a ball so he must listen. To test Buu's power, he orders him to attack Janemba. Buu is sliced in half by Janemba's sword but just regenerates. Buu uses his Transfiguration Beam to turn Janemba into chocolate and eats him. Buu suddenly starts to transform and have red clothing with a sword. Goku and Gohan both go SSJ3 and do a combined kamehameha but Buu simply regenerates. Buu then responds with his own kamehameha, making both Goku and Gohan unconscious. Shin teleports them to planet Kaishin. There Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta are healed by Kibito. Gohan learns to use the Z-sword and eventually breaks it, releasing the Elder Kai. The Elder Kai begins his 25 hour ritual on Gohan. Goku's time is almost up as he has used SSJ3 already and eaten up his time. In his last effort to help his friends, he teleports to Goten and Trunks' location, and brings them to Kami's lookout. There, he teaches them the Fusion Dance. Piccolo becomes their instructor and they begin training in the Room of Spirit and Time (RoSaT). Meanwhile, Janemboo is getting harder to control. Babidi is killed by a large blast by Janemboo, freeing Towa of the mind control. Towa, who is only a kid right now, is scared and escapes. Janemboo, free of Babidi, starts killing most of Earth's population. Gotenks and Gohan eventually confront him, but are absorbed. Elder Kai as a last resort gives his life to Goku. Goku asks if Vegeta wants to learn the Fusion Dance to which Vegeta adamantly refuses. Elder Kai thens says there is a easier way and gives his Potara earrings. After much convincing, Vegeta fuses with Goku into Vegito. SSJ3 Vegito battles Ultimate Buu with Gohan, Gotenks, and Janemba absorbed. Vegito allows himself to get absorbed by Buu. Only 30 minutes have passed, but Vegito defusess as soon as he enters as SSJ3 has strained the fusion. Goku and Vegeta free the cocoons inside Buu including Janemba. Buu reverts to Kid Buu and instantly destroys Earth killing everyone including Janemba except for Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo who were saved by Shin's teleportation. Kid Buu, now considerably weaker, fights the Z senshi again on Kaishin. Kid Buu is defeated by the combined efforts of Ultimate Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Gotenks, with all traces of him vaporized. No Spirit Bomb was ever done. The Namekian Dragon Balls were used to restore Earth and all the people who died. Meanwhile, Towa, impressed by the Earth warriors, starts to collect their DNA to make Mira.[/spoiler]
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:54 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:If in the hypothetical Otherworld Saga, Great Saiyaman Saga, World Tournament Saga, and Babidi Sagas of this same separate timeline, Future Son Goku, Future Son Gohan, Future Mr. Piccolo, and Future Son Goten had been rather diligently training under Future King Kai in the Future Otherworld since the defeat of Future Android 17 and Future Android 18, and Future Babidi had managed to search for and then convert the likes of Super Saiyan 2 Future Turles, Great Namek Future Lord Slug (Youth Restored), Fifth Form Future Cooler, and the First Form of Future Janemba into Majins before having gone to Future Earth, how different do you think the events would have played out if in the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament, Future Son Gohan in a fit of rage over Future Videl being beaten, had his current strongest transformation at the time evolve into a level even beyond that and used it on Majin Spopovitch?
I think it's more appropriate for me to answer your what if scenario question here.

[spoiler]To understand you correctly, this is an alternate timeline, most likely the Unseen Timeline in which there is no Cell Games and Androids were defeated. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Piccolo are alive in the real world and if they are, they cannot train in the Otherworld. However, let us suppose that Goku, Vegeta, Gohan did not slack off training during the 7 year gap after the Androids. Babidi, a wizard, and son of Bibidi has managed to use his powers to weaken the seal on the Demon Realm and free one person. Instead of Dabura, it is Towa, Dabura's sister that comes out. Babidi uses the Majin magic to control her. Towa is still a kid at this time, but she is still able to user her dark magic. Babidi makes Towa open wormholes to different eras. They find Turles, Slug, Kooler, and Janemba before they were killed and turn them into Majin.

The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai occurs. Gohan is enraged and turns SSJ3 after Videl is beaten by Spopovich. Shin uses his ability to freeze Gohan temporarily which allows Spopovich and Yamu to collect Gohan's energy. Kibito restores Gohan's energy. The Z senshi follow Spopovich to Babidi's ship. Slug appears outside of Babidi's ship to stop Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan. Slug has torn off his ears and remembers the last time he was defeated so whistling will no longer work. The warriors play rock paper scissors. Goku wins and defeats Lord Slug in his base form without turning SSJ with a single punch. Shin warns them to devise a strategy and not enter Babidi's ship. Krillin, Piccolo, and Kibito listen and decide to retreat. Kibito goes back to planet Kaishin while Piccolo and Krillin go to Kami's lookout. Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan do not heed Shin's warning and enter Babidi's ship with Shin. Meanwhile, Babidi puts the energy Spopovich collected and the meter already says more than half has been collected for Buu's revival. Pui Pui and Yakon have been replaced by Turles, Cooler, and Janemba. Cooler is the next enemy. Vegeta wins rock paper scissors and defeats fifth form Majin Cooler in his SSJ form, blasting him to pieces. The next enemy is Turles. Gohan remembers Turles from his childhood and tells him that he's not a little kid anymore. Turles who had eaten another Shinseijuu fruit, has had his battle power increased 20x and with Majin, has further increased his power. He immediately turns into SSJ2 and attacks Gohan. Gohan smirks and turns SSJ2 as well, dodging Turles and kicking him in the face. The fight continues for a while but Gohan who has a much higher base battle power, has a much stronger SSJ2, and easily defeats Turles. The Saiyans have reached the third level of Babidi's ship. The last warrior is a fat yellow Majin Janemba. Without doing rock paper scissors, Vegeta is irritated and blasts Janemba in the face. Janemba just smiles. Vegeta turns SSJ2 and uses a Final Flash. Janemba regenerates into his second form and then starts to thrash Vegeta. Vegeta continues to fight Janemba in SSJ3.

Eventually, enough energy has been collected for Buu's revival. Pink smoke starts to rise in the sky. Fat Buu is released. Babidi tells Buu that he knows the spell to seal him back into a ball so he must listen. To test Buu's power, he orders him to attack Janemba. Buu is sliced in half by Janemba's sword but just regenerates. Buu uses his Transfiguration Beam to turn Janemba into chocolate and eats him. Buu suddenly starts to transform and have red clothing with a sword. Goku and Gohan both go SSJ3 and do a combined kamehameha but Buu simply regenerates. Buu then responds with his own kamehameha, making both Goku and Gohan unconscious. Shin teleports them to planet Kaishin. There Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta are healed by Kibito. Gohan learns to use the Z-sword and eventually breaks it, releasing the Elder Kai. The Elder Kai begins his 25 hour ritual on Gohan. Goku's time is almost up as he has used SSJ3 already and eaten up his time. In his last effort to help his friends, he teleports to Goten and Trunks' location, and brings them to Kami's lookout. There, he teaches them the Fusion Dance. Piccolo becomes their instructor and they begin training in the Room of Spirit and Time (RoSaT). Meanwhile, Janemboo is getting harder to control. Babidi is killed by a large blast by Janemboo, freeing Towa of the mind control. Towa, who is only a kid right now, is scared and escapes. Janemboo, free of Babidi, starts killing most of Earth's population. Gotenks and Gohan eventually confront him, but are absorbed. Elder Kai as a last resort gives his life to Goku. Goku asks if Vegeta wants to learn the Fusion Dance to which Vegeta adamantly refuses. Elder Kai thens says there is a easier way and gives his Potara earrings. After much convincing, Vegeta fuses with Goku into Vegito. SSJ3 Vegito battles Ultimate Buu with Gohan, Gotenks, and Janemba absorbed. Vegito allows himself to get absorbed by Buu. Only 30 minutes have passed, but Vegito defusess as soon as he enters as SSJ3 has strained the fusion. Goku and Vegeta free the cocoons inside Buu including Janemba. Buu reverts to Kid Buu and instantly destroys Earth killing everyone including Janemba except for Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo who were saved by Shin's teleportation. Kid Buu, now considerably weaker, fights the Z senshi again on Kaishin. Kid Buu is defeated by the combined efforts of Ultimate Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Gotenks, with all traces of him vaporized. No Spirit Bomb was ever done. The Namekian Dragon Balls were used to restore Earth and all the people who died. Meanwhile, Towa, impressed by the Earth warriors, starts to collect their DNA to make Mira.[/spoiler]
What if in the case of Mr. Son Goku and his family, or, more specifically, those descended from Bardock and Gine, had the advantage of once they had been in the Great Ape form for the first time, they would be able to tap into all of the power of the Great Ape form at will, even without the need to be in the form itself to be able to use it’s power, but with the downside now being of pretty much forever having a dual-voice similar to Mr. Son Goku’s first-ever usage of Ultra Instinct "Omen" in the Tournament of Power? How would a rather significant change like this have made an impact on the Dragon World, if a certain family’s lineage had been around 10 times stronger than in canon? Starting from the lives of Bardock and Gine on Planet Vegeta to those of their descendants living on Earth?
[spoiler]What if an alternative to the events of Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug had taken place a few hours after Future Trunks had just left in his mother’s Time Machine, with Lord Slug having already had his youth restored through unknown means and being twice a threat even than Fourth Form Frieza (100% Maximum) ever was?

For example, Lord Slug, in the absolute prime of his youth, would have an insane Power Level of 240 million, while Frieza in a Full Power state of his Final Form, would have one of 120 million.[/spoiler]

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:00 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if in the case of Mr. Son Goku and his family, or, more specifically, those descended from Bardock and Gine, had the advantage of once they had been in the Great Ape form for the first time, they would be able to tap into all of the power of the Great Ape form at will, even without the need to be in the form itself to be able to use it’s power, but with the downside now being of pretty much forever having a dual-voice similar to Mr. Son Goku’s first-ever usage of Ultra Instinct "Omen" in the Tournament of Power? How would a rather significant change like this have made an impact on the Dragon World, if a certain family’s lineage had been around 10 times stronger than in canon? Starting from the lives of Bardock and Gine on Planet Vegeta to those of their descendants living on Earth?
[spoiler]Tapping into all of the power of the Great Ape (Oozaru) form without transforming is really SSJ4. The SSJ4 transformation however is more than just a 10x boost and requires someone to have already reached at least SSJ. However, let us take your scenario. A Tsufuru-jin scientist is experimenting with blutz waves and creates a machine that emits them. Bardock and Gine are exposed to these blutz waves which allow them to tap into the Great Ape power, giving them a sustained 10x boost without transforming. Given Bardock's power at the time was only around 10k, with 10x, it would be 100,000. This would not be enough to change the tides of war and beat Freeza 1st form even since his power level was 530,000. Hence, Bardock and Gine would still die on Planet Vegeta by Freeza's supernova.[/spoiler]
Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if an alternative to the events of Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug had taken place a few hours after Future Trunks had just left in his mother’s Time Machine, with Lord Slug having already had his youth restored through unknown means and being twice a threat even than Fourth Form Frieza (100% Maximum) ever was?

For example, Lord Slug, in the absolute prime of his youth, would have an insane Power Level of 240 million, while Frieza in a Full Power state of his Final Form, would have one of 120 million.
[spoiler]During the three years gap from when Future Trunks leaves to when the Androids arrive, Movie 5 takes place. This involved Freeza's brother, Kooler whose power was 4x Freeza's (according to V-Jump). SSJ Goku was more than enough to beat Kooler's 5th form alone. Hence, Lord Slug who is only 2x Freeza according to your scenario, would not pose a challenge for SSJ Goku who has already gained a zenkai boost from his battle with Freeza.[/spoiler]
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:51 am

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if in the case of Mr. Son Goku and his family, or, more specifically, those descended from Bardock and Gine, had the advantage of once they had been in the Great Ape form for the first time, they would be able to tap into all of the power of the Great Ape form at will, even without the need to be in the form itself to be able to use it’s power, but with the downside now being of pretty much forever having a dual-voice similar to Mr. Son Goku’s first-ever usage of Ultra Instinct "Omen" in the Tournament of Power? How would a rather significant change like this have made an impact on the Dragon World, if a certain family’s lineage had been around 10 times stronger than in canon? Starting from the lives of Bardock and Gine on Planet Vegeta to those of their descendants living on Earth?
[spoiler]Tapping into all of the power of the Great Ape (Oozaru) form without transforming is really SSJ4. The SSJ4 transformation however is more than just a 10x boost and requires someone to have already reached at least SSJ. However, let us take your scenario. A Tsufuru-jin scientist is experimenting with blutz waves and creates a machine that emits them. Bardock and Gine are exposed to these blutz waves which allow them to tap into the Great Ape power, giving them a sustained 10x boost without transforming. Given Bardock's power at the time was only around 10k, with 10x, it would be 100,000. This would not be enough to change the tides of war and beat Freeza 1st form even since his power level was 530,000. Hence, Bardock and Gine would still die on Planet Vegeta by Freeza's supernova.[/spoiler]
Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if an alternative to the events of Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug had taken place a few hours after Future Trunks had just left in his mother’s Time Machine, with Lord Slug having already had his youth restored through unknown means and being twice a threat even than Fourth Form Frieza (100% Maximum) ever was?

For example, Lord Slug, in the absolute prime of his youth, would have an insane Power Level of 240 million, while Frieza in a Full Power state of his Final Form, would have one of 120 million.
[spoiler]During the three years gap from when Future Trunks leaves to when the Androids arrive, Movie 5 takes place. This involved Freeza's brother, Kooler whose power was 4x Freeza's (according to V-Jump). SSJ Goku was more than enough to beat Kooler's 5th form alone. Hence, Lord Slug who is only 2x Freeza according to your scenario, would not pose a challenge for SSJ Goku who has already gained a zenkai boost from his battle with Freeza.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]What if instead of 7, 10 years had gone by following the Cell Games?[/spoiler]

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:49 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:[spoiler]What if instead of 7, 10 years had gone by following the Cell Games?[/spoiler]
Not much would have changed. Goku and Vegeta need new enemies to fight to get stronger. As we've seen before, with too much peace, Goku does not train and gets weaker. Following the Zamasu arc, we saw Goku farming and got hurt by a bullet. If Buu's arrival is delayed then their skills could dampen. Those 3 extra years wouldn't change much.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:51 am

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:[spoiler]What if instead of 7, 10 years had gone by following the Cell Games?[/spoiler]
Not much would have changed. Goku and Vegeta need new enemies to fight to get stronger. As we've seen before, with too much peace, Goku does not train and gets weaker. Following the Zamasu arc, we saw Goku farming and got hurt by a bullet. If Buu's arrival is delayed then their skills could dampen. Those 3 extra years wouldn't change much.
1) What if when Bardock and Gine had been caught by First Form Frieza’s Supernova, instead of being flung to the distant past and Heaven respectively, they had been transported together right to their second son’s location on Planet Yardrat in Age 762? Where the Saiyan couple would have arrived at the very same time as when Mr. Son Goku would have fallen out of the Ginyu Force’s Attack Ball he had borrowed to escape the Dying Namek, making it appear to the Yardatians, as if the three had been traveling together in the very same Attack Ball?
[spoiler]With Bardock and Gine receiving enough medical attention to have survived, how much would you think the 2 Saiyans would have gained from each of them individually getting a Zenkai?[/spoiler]

2) What if the soul of the incubating Future Cell had been linked to Future Piccolo and Future Kami? And having had been what kept the two Namekians alive following the first encounter with the Future Z Fighters, Future Android 17, and Future Android 18? With Future Gohan still having gone Super Saiyan?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:08 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) What if when Bardock and Gine had been caught by First Form Frieza’s Supernova, instead of being flung to the distant past and Heaven respectively, they had been transported together right to their second son’s location on Planet Yardrat in Age 762? Where the Saiyan couple would have arrived at the very same time as when Mr. Son Goku would have fallen out of the Ginyu Force’s Attack Ball he had borrowed to escape the Dying Namek, making it appear to the Yardatians, as if the three had been traveling together in the very same Attack Ball?
With Bardock and Gine receiving enough medical attention to have survived, how much would you think the 2 Saiyans would have gained from each of them individually getting a Zenkai?
[spoiler]According to DBH and Xenoverse, the reason Bardock was flung to the past in the first place was due to the dark magic of Towa. Towa opened a wormhole that sent Bardock to Planet Plant. This Bardock turned SSJ and killed Chilled. Then Towa turned this Bardock into the Time Breaker Bardock. She used her knowledge of science to further strengthen Bardock. He gets the boost as long as he wears the mask.

If Towa instead flung both Bardock and Gine to planet Yardrat in Age 762, upon Goku's arrival, things would be very different. The zenkai boost would be minimal. Only Bardock got the zenkai boost when he was flung to the past in the Episode of Bardock. Still weaker than 1st form Freeza. Goku would meet his parents. The Yardrats would still teach Goku the Shunkan Ido. Goku would travel to Earth with his parents.[/spoiler]
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 2) What if the soul of the incubating Future Cell had been linked to Future Piccolo and Future Kami? And having had been what kept the two Namekians alive following the first encounter with the Future Z Fighters, Future Android 17, and Future Android 18? With Future Gohan still having gone Super Saiyan?
[spoiler]If Future Cell were linked to Future Piccolo and Future Kami, then he would have died when the Androids killed Future Piccolo. Future Gohan, still a kid survived and escaped. The Pilaf Gang wished to be young again just before the Dragon Balls turned to stone.[/spoiler]
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:26 am

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) What if when Bardock and Gine had been caught by First Form Frieza’s Supernova, instead of being flung to the distant past and Heaven respectively, they had been transported together right to their second son’s location on Planet Yardrat in Age 762? Where the Saiyan couple would have arrived at the very same time as when Mr. Son Goku would have fallen out of the Ginyu Force’s Attack Ball he had borrowed to escape the Dying Namek, making it appear to the Yardatians, as if the three had been traveling together in the very same Attack Ball?
With Bardock and Gine receiving enough medical attention to have survived, how much would you think the 2 Saiyans would have gained from each of them individually getting a Zenkai?
[spoiler]According to DBH and Xenoverse, the reason Bardock was flung to the past in the first place was due to the dark magic of Towa. Towa opened a wormhole that sent Bardock to Planet Plant. This Bardock turned SSJ and killed Chilled. Then Towa turned this Bardock into the Time Breaker Bardock. She used her knowledge of science to further strengthen Bardock. He gets the boost as long as he wears the mask.

If Towa instead flung both Bardock and Gine to planet Yardrat in Age 762, upon Goku's arrival, things would be very different. The zenkai boost would be minimal. Only Bardock got the zenkai boost when he was flung to the past in the Episode of Bardock. Still weaker than 1st form Freeza. Goku would meet his parents. The Yardrats would still teach Goku the Shunkan Ido. Goku would travel to Earth with his parents.[/spoiler]
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 2) What if the soul of the incubating Future Cell had been linked to Future Piccolo and Future Kami? And having had been what kept the two Namekians alive following the first encounter with the Future Z Fighters, Future Android 17, and Future Android 18? With Future Gohan still having gone Super Saiyan?
[spoiler]If Future Cell were linked to Future Piccolo and Future Kami, then he would have died when the Androids killed Future Piccolo. Future Gohan, still a kid survived and escaped. The Pilaf Gang wished to be young again just before the Dragon Balls turned to stone.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]1) What if Goku discovered Great Ape, Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 during his training with King Kai in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]2) What if in Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks, and hours before Android 17 and Android 18 first fought the Z Fighters, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu had their Potentials Unlocked by Grand Elder Guru? (With this miraculous event being made possible from Kami having a bad enough feeling to transport the Z Warriors to the Grand Elder Namekian's current location in the Otherworld.)[/spoiler]

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:49 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if Goku discovered Great Ape, Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 during his training with King Kai in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z?
[spoiler]King Kai shows Goku telepathically Nappa killing his friends on Earth. This causes Goku to get angry, triggering his S-cells and turn into a Super Saiyan, multiplying his power by 50x. Goku's full power was estimated to be over 8,000. Hence, as a SSJ, it would be 8000x50=400,000. If then, somehow, his tail grew back and absorbed 17 million blutz waves, then he would turn into a Golden Oozaru. Then, if he controlled himself, he would turn into an SSJ4. His power would be greatly amplified more than just 10x, perhaps 100x. If that is the case, his power level as a SSJ4 would be 40 million, still too weak to defeat Freeza. His base would need further strengthening.[/spoiler]
Steven Bloodriver wrote:2) What if in Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks, and hours before Android 17 and Android 18 first fought the Z Fighters, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu had their Potentials Unlocked by Grand Elder Guru? (With this miraculous event being made possible from Kami having a bad enough feeling to transport the Z Warriors to the Grand Elder Namekian's current location in the Otherworld.)
[spoiler]So the Earth Dragon Balls were gathered and they wished to be transported to New Namek so that their potentials could be unlocked by Guru. Gohan and Krillin already got their potentials unlocked. Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaotzu would not be any stronger than Gohan after their potentials are unlocked. Piccolo and Vegeta would gain some power, but not a lot. Gohan had the most hidden potential. Given that Vegeta still hasn't learned to become a SSJ, they would all still be defeated by Androids 17 and 18 after their return to Earth.[/spoiler]
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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:51 pm

I asked this question before but not a lot of people answered me. What if Bra was born 1 year after the Cell Saga? What would she do in the Buu Saga?
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Post by shadowfox87 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:35 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:I asked this question before but not a lot of people answered me. What if Bra was born 1 year after the Cell Saga? What would she do in the Buu Saga?
She'd be around 6 years old. Goten was 7 and Trunks was 8. If Bra was interested in fighting, it's possible she'd get strong. If not, she'd basically play no role at all in the Buu saga. At the end of Z, in the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, we see Bra did not participate in the tournament while Pan did and Pan was only 4 years old, the same age as Bra. Hence, by logic, Bra would not do anything in the Buu saga just like she didn't do anything at the end of Z.
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Post by Champa The Destroyer » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:26 pm

What if in the beginning of Dragon Ball, while Goku and Krillin are still being trained, they stumble upon a pair of Potara Earrings, learn how to use them, and continue to use them throughout Dragon Ball and Z?

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Champa The Destroyer wrote:What if in the beginning of Dragon Ball, while Goku and Krillin are still being trained, they stumble upon a pair of Potara Earrings, learn how to use them, and continue to use them throughout Dragon Ball and Z?
This is a cool one, I think they'd use em for fun occasionally but their sense of fair play would stop them using them against smaller threats.

(Edit: they beat up roshi and become arrogant?)

Kuririn would still be killed by Tambourine.

After that it entirely depends on where the earrings are stored, does Goku run off with them or are they back at home at kami house.

It somewhat depends on how they test them.*

I could see Ten and Yamcha killing daimao.

*But there's a lot of variables, if they fuse and find out fusing fixes Yamchas leg, they might not realise that they have to wait a while before you can fuse again.

They could end up confronting daimao and not being able to use them.

We'd probably see Ten and Roshi or Ten and chaozu use them to beat daimao beforehand. Unless Goku ran off with them.

Goku may fuse with Yajirobe or Ten but he might be too stubborn.

Another variable is that perhaps fusing with others causes personalities to change slightly due to shared memories? That could cause a butterfly effect...

Piccolo. Jr would wait waaay longer to show up knowing the higher level he now has to surpass. Perhaps he never becomes a friend? Does he pick people of or steal the earrings? Do the zwarriors live together knowing they aren't safe if they split up away from the earrings?

Perhaps Kami doesn't train anyone? Or trains different people?

Goku would be willing to use them against Raditz, and they'd probably solve this problem.

Beyond that it's tough to say, we don't know the exact fusion multiplier.... So I'm not sure where they'd stop helping...

Perhaps no one trains with kaio?

Depending on if they are used in the window of time Gero watches them for might effect how strong he makes the androids/when he attacks/if the dragon team win.

They'd probably be fucked with Buu if they make it past Freeza and the droids.

Perhaps kamiccolo happens with them despite Piccolo maybe staying more evil because it's more tolerable knowing it's temporary....

When kaio shin shows up I wonder if recognising the earrings and telling him about fusion changes the plans, perhaps Dabra is beaten?

There's so many variables and even fic potential here it's hard to say.... The hardest part would be explaining how they got them?

Kibitoshin killing Dabra would be rad.

Zsword never used? No good Buu means a fed Beerus leaves? Tournament of power is lost to jiren who makes a selfish wish, everyone dies?

U6 tourney lost? U7 earth becomes part of U6 the combined team pulls a win?

Man this a great what if.

Wait, Zamasu isn't as offended by the presumably weaker Goku and doesn't become black? No black arc means no two zamamsus and no two zenos?
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:56 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if Goku discovered Great Ape, Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 during his training with King Kai in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z?
[spoiler]King Kai shows Goku telepathically Nappa killing his friends on Earth. This causes Goku to get angry, triggering his S-cells and turn into a Super Saiyan, multiplying his power by 50x. Goku's full power was estimated to be over 8,000. Hence, as a SSJ, it would be 8000x50=400,000. If then, somehow, his tail grew back and absorbed 17 million blutz waves, then he would turn into a Golden Oozaru. Then, if he controlled himself, he would turn into an SSJ4. His power would be greatly amplified more than just 10x, perhaps 100x. If that is the case, his power level as a SSJ4 would be 40 million, still too weak to defeat Freeza. His base would need further strengthening.[/spoiler]
Steven Bloodriver wrote:2) What if in Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks, and hours before Android 17 and Android 18 first fought the Z Fighters, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu had their Potentials Unlocked by Grand Elder Guru? (With this miraculous event being made possible from Kami having a bad enough feeling to transport the Z Warriors to the Grand Elder Namekian's current location in the Otherworld.)
[spoiler]So the Earth Dragon Balls were gathered and they wished to be transported to New Namek so that their potentials could be unlocked by Guru. Gohan and Krillin already got their potentials unlocked. Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaotzu would not be any stronger than Gohan after their potentials are unlocked. Piccolo and Vegeta would gain some power, but not a lot. Gohan had the most hidden potential. Given that Vegeta still hasn't learned to become a SSJ, they would all still be defeated by Androids 17 and 18 after their return to Earth.[/spoiler]
1) What if a sudden change in the past of one of the Pride Troopers belonging to Universe 11 had happened, such as both the parents and the rest of the entire village of Jiren having been saved from whoever or whatever bastard had attacked it by Hakaishin Belmod and Lady Marcarita having been present?

2) What if in the Cell Games Saga of the Dragon Ball Z Anime, Full Power Super Saiyan Goku had quickly managed to save himself, King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory from dying at the very stubby hands of Semi-Perfect Cell’s Self-Destruction move by having used his Instant Transmission to get to Full Power Super Saiyan Gohan and the other Z Fighters before the Bio Android had went off on King Kai’s Planet in the Otherworld, with the insanely evil Super Perfect Cell making his dramatic entrance and striking down both FPSSJ Goku and Vegeta with his Full Power Death Beam, only instead of Future Trunks?

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) What if a sudden change in the past of one of the Pride Troopers belonging to Universe 11 had happened, such as both the parents and the rest of the entire village of Jiren having been saved from whoever or whatever bastard had attacked it by Hakaishin Belmod and Lady Marcarita having been present?
If Jiren's parents and family were saved, then Jiren would not have the motivation and drive to train and become stronger. Therefore, Jiren would not be even remotely as strong as he is now. He'd be an average fighter.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:2) What if in the Cell Games Saga of the Dragon Ball Z Anime, Full Power Super Saiyan Goku had quickly managed to save himself, King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory from dying at the very stubby hands of Semi-Perfect Cell’s Self-Destruction move by having used his Instant Transmission to get to Full Power Super Saiyan Gohan and the other Z Fighters before the Bio Android had went off on King Kai’s Planet in the Otherworld, with the insanely evil Super Perfect Cell making his dramatic entrance and striking down both FPSSJ Goku and Vegeta with his Full Power Death Beam, only instead of Future Trunks?
Gohan's left arm was severely injured trying to protect Vegeta from Cell. Vegeta rampaged at Cell because of the death beam shot at Trunks. If Vegeta and Goku were both hit by the death beam, and Gohan did not lose either of his arms, then he would have both arms to do a kamehameha at full power. Gohan would still win, with or without Trunks interference. Before, Vegeta distracted Cell for the slightest second to allow Gohan to surprise him with full power.
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:21 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) What if a sudden change in the past of one of the Pride Troopers belonging to Universe 11 had happened, such as both the parents and the rest of the entire village of Jiren having been saved from whoever or whatever bastard had attacked it by Hakaishin Belmod and Lady Marcarita having been present?
If Jiren's parents and family were saved, then Jiren would not have the motivation and drive to train and become stronger. Therefore, Jiren would not be even remotely as strong as he is now. He'd be an average fighter.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:2) What if in the Cell Games Saga of the Dragon Ball Z Anime, Full Power Super Saiyan Goku had quickly managed to save himself, King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory from dying at the very stubby hands of Semi-Perfect Cell’s Self-Destruction move by having used his Instant Transmission to get to Full Power Super Saiyan Gohan and the other Z Fighters before the Bio Android had went off on King Kai’s Planet in the Otherworld, with the insanely evil Super Perfect Cell making his dramatic entrance and striking down both FPSSJ Goku and Vegeta with his Full Power Death Beam, only instead of Future Trunks?
Gohan's left arm was severely injured trying to protect Vegeta from Cell. Vegeta rampaged at Cell because of the death beam shot at Trunks. If Vegeta and Goku were both hit by the death beam, and Gohan did not lose either of his arms, then he would have both arms to do a kamehameha at full power. Gohan would still win, with or without Trunks interference. Before, Vegeta distracted Cell for the slightest second to allow Gohan to surprise him with full power.
What if near the end of Videl and Majin Spopovitch’s match in the 25th Budokai, an enraged Super Saiyan 2 Gohan had caught Shin smirking from the corner of his eye?

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Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if near the end of Videl and Majin Spopovitch’s match in the 25th Budokai, an enraged Super Saiyan 2 Gohan had caught Shin smirking from the corner of his eye?
No difference. Piccolo would have already told Goku and the gang to not interfere. Shin would have used his ability to freeze Gohan and then Yamu and Spopovich would still steal his energy.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:13 pm

What if Goku was sent to Namek by mistake by as a baby?
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:04 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if near the end of Videl and Majin Spopovitch’s match in the 25th Budokai, an enraged Super Saiyan 2 Gohan had caught Shin smirking from the corner of his eye?
No difference. Piccolo would have already told Goku and the gang to not interfere. Shin would have used his ability to freeze Gohan and then Yamu and Spopovich would still steal his energy.
What if SSJ2 Gohan had one of his famous Rage Boosts from seeing Videl get beaten by Majin Spopovitch and completely lost his own mind, as he would then have took it upon himself to have stepped in and save his love-interest from her brutal attacker before focusing all of his regained power and then some on Majin Spopovitch, in a very similar manner to like what he had done to Full Power Bojack in Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound? With everyone else being too scared to interfere?

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Post by shadowfox87 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:29 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if SSJ2 Gohan had one of his famous Rage Boosts from seeing Videl get beaten by Majin Spopovitch and completely lost his own mind, as he would then have took it upon himself to have stepped in and save his love-interest from her brutal attacker before focusing all of his regained power and then some on Majin Spopovitch, in a very similar manner to like what he had done to Full Power Bojack in Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound? With everyone else being too scared to interfere?
I'm not sure why you are revisiting this same scene numerous times. Gohan just needed to be frozen for a second for Yamu and Spopovich to take his energy. Shin can do this and hold him for 1 second. In the Bojack movie, SSJ2 Teen Gohan was much more powerful than the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai version. He was so strong that the energy bonds couldn't hold him and he could just walk through. If Gohan somehow were to tap into this power, then Shin wouldn't be able to hold him. Then Gohan may just kill Spopovich with one punch.
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