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Re: General What-If thread

Post by supercat » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:06 pm

In hopes of achieving additional Zenkais, Vegeta convinces Krillin and Dende to repeat the same process of attack and repair four more times. How would Vegeta's fight with Frieza unfold after the trio has pulled off the maneuver four times as planned? Keep in mind, any additional improvement would be on top of the power that Vegeta has already gained through his initial Zenkai.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:58 pm

What if Nappa got killed by Krillin's attack? What could happen? If Vegeta killed Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo. Could Goku be angry enough to kill Vegeta or go into some type of false SSj state similar what happen in DBZ Movie 4?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:10 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Nappa got killed by Krillin's attack? What could happen? If Vegeta killed Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo. Could Goku be angry enough to kill Vegeta or go into some type of false SSj state similar what happen in DBZ Movie 4?
Definitely would not go False SSJ. lol.

I think Vegeta would probably dispatch of Krillin quickly, but that would trigger Gohan's rage, knocking Vegeta senseless. When Gohan cools down, Vegeta would be in such shock and disbelief that he would torture the kid and take his time--long enough for Goku to arrive. Ultimately, however, Goku and Gohan would both be killed because there'd be no one to fire the spirit bomb. Well... unless Yajirobe steps in and solidifies himself as the MVP of that battle. Assuming that does happen, it's possible Bulma and Gohan would wait till Goku recovers before going to Namek. Without the gravity chamber (they'd likely use Kami's ship), Goku would not be all that useful against the Ginyu Force, and they die there.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:23 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Nappa got killed by Krillin's attack? What could happen? If Vegeta killed Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo. Could Goku be angry enough to kill Vegeta or go into some type of false SSj state similar what happen in DBZ Movie 4?
Definitely would not go False SSJ. lol.

I think Vegeta would probably dispatch of Krillin quickly, but that would trigger Gohan's rage, knocking Vegeta senseless. When Gohan cools down, Vegeta would be in such shock and disbelief that he would torture the kid and take his time--long enough for Goku to arrive. Ultimately, however, Goku and Gohan would both be killed because there'd be no one to fire the spirit bomb. Well... unless Yajirobe steps in and solidifies himself as the MVP of that battle. Assuming that does happen, it's possible Bulma and Gohan would wait till Goku recovers before going to Namek. Without the gravity chamber (they'd likely use Kami's ship), Goku would not be all that useful against the Ginyu Force, and they die there.
Where would Piccolo be during all of this? No Nappa = no one to kill Piccolo.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:44 am

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Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Nappa got killed by Krillin's attack? What could happen? If Vegeta killed Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo. Could Goku be angry enough to kill Vegeta or go into some type of false SSj state similar what happen in DBZ Movie 4?
Definitely would not go False SSJ. lol.

I think Vegeta would probably dispatch of Krillin quickly, but that would trigger Gohan's rage, knocking Vegeta senseless. When Gohan cools down, Vegeta would be in such shock and disbelief that he would torture the kid and take his time--long enough for Goku to arrive. Ultimately, however, Goku and Gohan would both be killed because there'd be no one to fire the spirit bomb. Well... unless Yajirobe steps in and solidifies himself as the MVP of that battle. Assuming that does happen, it's possible Bulma and Gohan would wait till Goku recovers before going to Namek. Without the gravity chamber (they'd likely use Kami's ship), Goku would not be all that useful against the Ginyu Force, and they die there.
Where would Piccolo be during all of this? No Nappa = no one to kill Piccolo.
Oh, did that Kienzan scene happen before Piccolo died? I forgot.
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Re: General What-If thread

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fadeddreams5 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Nappa got killed by Krillin's attack? What could happen? If Vegeta killed Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo. Could Goku be angry enough to kill Vegeta or go into some type of false SSj state similar what happen in DBZ Movie 4?
Definitely would not go False SSJ. lol.

I think Vegeta would probably dispatch of Krillin quickly, but that would trigger Gohan's rage, knocking Vegeta senseless. When Gohan cools down, Vegeta would be in such shock and disbelief that he would torture the kid and take his time--long enough for Goku to arrive. Ultimately, however, Goku and Gohan would both be killed because there'd be no one to fire the spirit bomb. Well... unless Yajirobe steps in and solidifies himself as the MVP of that battle. Assuming that does happen, it's possible Bulma and Gohan would wait till Goku recovers before going to Namek. Without the gravity chamber (they'd likely use Kami's ship), Goku would not be all that useful against the Ginyu Force, and they die there.
If they wait for Goku to heal, then they might just use the modified Saiyan ship anyway.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:00 am

I think if Goku sees everyone dead expect for Gohan, he would have killed Vegeta with major Kaioken rage. Goku would have killed Vegeta fast before he can do anything. Without Krillin, they would never go Namek since it was his idea to go to Namek. Even if they do, Goku would have died against the Ginyu force.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by supercat » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:17 am

What if Dabura survived his brutal scuffle with Buu and promptly aligned himself with the Z-Fighters?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:37 am

supercat wrote:What if Dabura survived his brutal scuffle with Buu and promptly aligned himself with the Z-Fighters?
He would have turned Majin Boo into stone.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by vegeta623i » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:46 am

What if elder kai unlocked goku's full potential instead of gohan would he have been stronger than ultimate gohan and how strong would have become

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by supercat » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:49 am

Lord Beerus wrote:
supercat wrote:What if Dabura survived his brutal scuffle with Buu and promptly aligned himself with the Z-Fighters?
He would have turned Majin Boo into stone.
I don't think the story would allow a victory that would be so easily attainable. :lol:

On a serious note, without resorting to cheap tricks, what kind of asset would he have been to the Z-Fighters? Would he have had the privilege of surviving some of the horrific events that took place during the Buu arc?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:32 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
supercat wrote:What if Dabura survived his brutal scuffle with Buu and promptly aligned himself with the Z-Fighters?
He would have turned Majin Boo into stone.
He try that and it didn't work from what I can remember.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:39 pm

supercat wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
supercat wrote:What if Dabura survived his brutal scuffle with Buu and promptly aligned himself with the Z-Fighters?
He would have turned Majin Boo into stone.
I don't think the story would allow a victory that would be so easily attainable. :lol:

On a serious note, without resorting to cheap tricks, what kind of asset would he have been to the Z-Fighters? Would he have had the privilege of surviving some of the horrific events that took place during the Buu arc?
Well, he able to withstand a beat from Majin Boo, so if he was able to survive all the way to the final battle against Kid Boo, he would have been a valuable asset to stall against Kid Boo while Goku powered up the Genki Dama to kill Kid Boo. After the end of the Majin Boo arc, Dabra would have likely been called out for killing Kibito and turning Piccolo and Krillin into stone by Vegeta and Dabra would have accepted what he did was wrong and kep himself in isolation ala Piccolo.
Hellspawn28 wrote:He try that and it didn't work from what I can remember.
He didn't. The only offence that Dabra put against Majin Boo was throwing a spear at Majin Boo. After that didn't work, Majin Boo turned him into a cookie and ate him.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by supercat » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:08 pm

If Dabura became an actual member of the Z-Fighters he would be the only former villain to have actually killed one of their allies (Kibito). Unless, however, we count Mr. Buu's indirect contribution towards Vegeta's self destruction. Although to a far lesser extent, that would also subject Piccolo to the same kind of scrutiny, due to the atrocities committed by his former self / father King Piccolo.

As for Dabura spitting on Krillin and Vegeta, because the two heroes made it out alive, this particular action shouldn't be deemed any worse than the beating Vegeta gave Gohan, Krillin, and Goku. Both the demon king and Saiyan prince had the intent to kill, but they both simply failed to deliver as planned.

Regardless of all these factors, knowing the Z-Fighters, I'd say Dabura's transition would still be welcomed with open arms. Warmly accepting him into the fold would be justified, considering who their common enemy is.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Doctor. » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:33 pm

supercat wrote:If Dabura became an actual member of the Z-Fighters he would be the only former villain to have actually killed one of their allies (Kibito). Unless, however, we count Mr. Buu's indirect contribution towards Vegeta's self destruction. Although to a far lesser extent, that would also subject Piccolo to the same kind of scrutiny, due to the atrocities committed by his former self / father King Piccolo.

As for Dabura spitting on Krillin and Vegeta, because the two heroes made it out alive, this particular action shouldn't be deemed any worse than the beating Vegeta gave Gohan, Krillin, and Goku. Both the demon king and Saiyan prince had the intent to kill, but they both simply failed to deliver as planned.

Regardless of all these factors, knowing the Z-Fighters, I'd say Dabura's transition would still be welcomed with open arms. Warmly accepting him into the fold would be justified, considering who their common enemy is.
I wouldn't say warmly. The only one who'd accept him with few doubts would be Goku. The rest would be doubtful, just like they were back when Vegeta and Piccolo were helping them but still weren't completely on their side.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:47 pm

I can't see Majin Buu being turned into stone. His body is so strange, it'd probably ooze out of the statue or shoot out a cloud before reforming.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:07 pm

What if Goten didn't gain Ssj when he was 3 years old. Instead only Trunks had Ssj.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:01 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:What if Goten didn't gain Ssj when he was 3 years old. Instead only Trunks had Ssj.
Huh? When was it stated that Goten became a SSJ at the age of three?

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Re: General What-If thread

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Lord Beerus wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:What if Goten didn't gain Ssj when he was 3 years old. Instead only Trunks had Ssj.
Huh? When was it stated that Goten became a SSJ at the age of three?
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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:20 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:What if Goten didn't gain Ssj when he was 3 years old. Instead only Trunks had Ssj.
Huh? When was it stated that Goten became a SSJ at the age of three?
Legacy of Goku: Buu's Fury
I really wouldn't consider the information in Legacy of Goku: Buu's Fury to be considered reliable or official.

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