The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:06 am

What if Tao Pai Pai became good after being rebuild as a cyborg?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:39 pm

1) What if Perfect Cell killed Vegeta in their first encounter? Trunks got too late and Cell killed his father. Trunks survives? the Cell Games happen? Gohan kills Cell when he has the upper hand? or it plays exactly and boringly the same with just no one to help Gohan in the final beam struggle?

2) What if Perfect Cell let Trunks go and waited for Goku to come out of the ROSAT? how would've the Cell Games developed if it was celebrated right after Goku came out of the ROSAT and only Goku and Gohan show up due to the rest being literally dead weight and Cell wanting nothing to do with them as well?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Nodeo-Franvier » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:55 pm

What if Master Roshi and Kuririn went with Goku to fight Raditz?
Ps.If it Super version Roshi would have mob the floor with Raditz due to UI.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TobyS » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:38 pm

Nodeo-Franvier wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:55 pm What if Master Roshi and Kuririn went with Goku to fight Raditz?
Ps.If it Super version Roshi would have mob the floor with Raditz due to UI.
With or without Piccolo.

They'd contribute little, probably get killed in the first few volleys.
If Goku grabs the tail perhaps they grab the tail too and don't let go because they aren't using the special beam canon...

They probably all die and Gohan is taken.
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He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:51 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:39 pm 1) What if Perfect Cell killed Vegeta in their first encounter? Trunks got too late and Cell killed his father. Trunks survives? the Cell Games happen? Gohan kills Cell when he has the upper hand? or it plays exactly and boringly the same with just no one to help Gohan in the final beam struggle?

2) What if Perfect Cell let Trunks go and waited for Goku to come out of the ROSAT? how would've the Cell Games developed if it was celebrated right after Goku came out of the ROSAT and only Goku and Gohan show up due to the rest being literally dead weight and Cell wanting nothing to do with them as well?
1) If they do beat Cell without Vegeta, he won't able to come back to life since he was already wished back to life with the Dragon Balls on Earth. Goku would ask King Emma to have Vegeta to keep his body in order for them to train in Other World. Both Goku and Vegeta would able to go SSj3 during the seven-year time skip. Both of them would go to Earth for one day and Vegeta won't fall under Babidi's spell because he has no reason to. Gohan would end up losing to Dabra and Goku would probably finish him off. Babidi gets himself killed by Shin and Buu would never be released out of his shell. They go back to the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai and enjoy the rest of the tournament before the day is over.

Battle of Gods will still happen and Beerus would have no luck finding the Super Saiyan God. They have no Goku and Vegeta to do the ritual anyway. Beerus may be nice enough to spare the planet because they have good food. Freeza would be brought back to life and he would be surprised to hear that both Goku & Vegeta are dead. He probably won't train because he does not have to worry about Goku and Vegeta being around. Not to mention, there was no battle between Buu and Beerus (Those two reasons give Freeza a reason to train). Freeza comes to Earth and he ends up being killed by Gohan. I don't see the Universe 6 Tournament-Tournament of Power happening without Goku and Vegeta around. You would also have no Super Broly story because Freeza is not alive to find Planet Vampa.

Moro would probably end up breaking out of prison and he would destroy the Earth because no one is powerful enough to stop him. Zen-Oh would end up erasing Universe 7 eventually because it would have a very low mortal level.

2) I guess things would go out pretty normally by having Goku fight first and Gohan later. Without #16 being around, Gohan won't able to go SSj2 and they would probably end up losing. Cell wins and he travels across the Galaxy for a new opponent to fight. Cell gets himself killed if he ends up fighting Broly or Merus.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:57 am

What if Gohan was born with the same amount of God Ki as Uub?

A wacky, extremely unrealistic one but I'm curious to see how itd play out through the rest of Z and Super; What if Goku and Frieza were somehow permanently merged together with Potara Earrings, with no time limit nor way to separate them, during the battle shortly before Namek explodes?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TobyS » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:11 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:57 am What if Gohan was born with the same amount of God Ki as Uub?

A wacky, extremely unrealistic one but I'm curious to see how itd play out through the rest of Z and Super; What if Goku and Frieza were somehow permanently merged together with Potara Earrings, with no time limit nor way to separate them, during the battle shortly before Namek explodes?
They wouldn't know about it until Beerus, he'd probably be the one who trained with Whis. Or Beerus asks they ritual him up next time.

I've wondered if a good guy bad guy fusion happened how they'd turn out. He'd probably spare the dragon team and return to his empire but use it's apparatus to seek good fights.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:58 am

What if Goku used the Genki Dama against Perfect Cell?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:09 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:58 am What if Goku used the Genki Dama against Perfect Cell?
Well, to get around the obvious fact that Vegeta and Perfect Cell would have done absolutely everything possible that would have been within their very own respective powers to have prevented the formation and especially the execution of such a powerful Spirit Bomb from ever coming into fruition, Full Power Super Saiyan Son Goku from the Cell Games Saga would have needed to use his Telepathy in order to get into contact with the other members of the Z-Fighters that were there with him at the Cell Games Arena and ask them to have basically gang up on Vegeta and Perfect Cell after he himself would have given them an opening to attack before he would have been trying to call upon the power of not only all of Humanity, but also Mother Nature herself in order to have created a Spirit Bomb more than strong enough to have defeated Vegeta and Perfect Cell with.

Before Full Power Super Saiyan Son Goku would have given the Z-Fighters an opening by having used the Solar Flare on Vegeta and Perfect Cell, which would have given the Z-Fighters just enough time to have powered up to their very own respective full powers and reach Vegeta and Perfect Cell before Vegeta and Perfect Cell would have been able to recover from Full Power Super Saiyan Son Goku hitting Vegeta and Perfect Cell with a Solar Flare. All of the while Full Power Super Saiyan Son Goku would have asked for the help of absolutely everyone and everything all across Planet Earth that would have been on the side of good in order to have given him some of their very own respective Genkis.

However, a minute or two might have been all of the time that the Z-Fighters would have been able to give Full Power Super Saiyan Son Goku from Vegeta and Perfect Cell having been able to recover enough from being hit by a Solar Flare to have powered up enough to have knocked the Z-Fighters away from them with a Super Explosive Wave, but Vegeta and Perfect Cell would have been really beaten up from taking so many direct attacks from the Z-Fighters. Especially for the likes of Vegeta, who would have been barely able to maintain his Full Power Super Saiyan form that he would have transformed into in order to have been able to briefly blow the Z-Fighters away from him in the very first place from him quickly dying from the absolutely fatal injuries he would have sustained from him getting his ass handed to him by some of the people he had humiliated in the past.

With Full Power Super Saiyan Son Goku having been forced to use a weaker version of his counterpart's very own Instant Spirit Bomb in order to have been able to defeat Vegeta and Perfect Cell by having attacked Vegeta and Perfect Cell in the very exact same instant that Vegeta and Perfect Cell would have been able to have freed themselves from the Z-Fighters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Peach » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:33 pm

Nodeo-Franvier wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:55 pm What if Master Roshi and Kuririn went with Goku to fight Raditz?
Ps.If it Super version Roshi would have mob the floor with Raditz due to UI.
I see three scenarios.

1. Raditz kills Roshi and Krillin, and Piccolo and Goku kill Raditz the same way they originally did.

Later that day, Goku is wished back to life. But Krillin and Roshi are unable to be revived with Shenron because they have died once before. Goku telepathically communicates with Bulma through King Kai and tells her that he's going to remain on King Kai's planet and train with Krillin and Roshi for the whole year until the Saiyans arrive.

Bulma and Yamcha travel to Namek on Kami's ship and wish for Krillin and Roshi to be brought back to life. The two choose to remain on King Kai's planet with Goku, seeing it as an opportunity to get stronger.

Yamcha's potential is unlocked by Guru, and he returns to Earth to train with Tien, Chiaotzu, and Yajirobi for the rest of the year on the lookout.

The Saiyans are defeated. Goku has great sparring partners through all of his friends.



2. Raditz gets overwhelmed by four fighters and uses an artificial moon, inadvertently turning Gohan into one too. The two Great Apes go at it. Piccolo uses the distraction to charge a Special Beam Cannon powerful enough to kill Raditz from the distance. All while Krillin, Goku, and Roshi try remove Gohan's tail and turn him back to normal. I see Goku becoming severely injured, Krillin and/or Roshi dying, and Piccolo killing everyone there after Gohan changes back.

Bulma uses the Dragon Balls to revive Goku and Gohan and the three of them, along with Yamcha, head to Namek using Kami's ship. Unaware that any Saiyans are coming to Earth.

They use two of the wishes to bring back Krillin and Roshi, and the final wish to bring them to Namek. Guru unlocks all of their potentials.

The Earthlings body the Saiyans.



3. Raditz plants saibamen and wins. Taking Gohan and brutally training the boy.

Gohan eventually becomes so powerful that Frieza kills him and the Saiyans.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TobyS » Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:28 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:58 am What if Goku used the Genki Dama against Perfect Cell?
He'd need others to buy time for him but it only wounds cell.
He's not drawing from that much further afield like in the buu saga, but his range is extended versus Namek in the same way it was further during the namek arc then It was in the Saiyan arc.

Gohan could then finish the fight in Ss1 instead of 2 or he gives a bean and the fight plays outs as normal.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:08 pm

What if Jiren help out Goku and Vegeta against Moro?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TobyS » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:14 am

Hellspawn28 wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:08 pm What if Jiren help out Goku and Vegeta against Moro?

Early on, and not being a Saiyan idiot who loves fighting too much he could probably have speed blitzed old moro.

He may have made things worse if his power got absorbed.

He could beat saganbo but this would be would be worse if they then foght moro before Goku got back.

He might have been able to crack Moros gem but probably not before he went crazy. His ki probably would have allowed Goku to break free but maybe not puncture the gem.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Post by Xeogran » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:18 pm

TobyS wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:14 amHis ki probably would have allowed Goku to break free but maybe not puncture the gem.
Oh please, Jiren's Ki would definitely be enough to get Goku back to MUI and shatter the gem. The only reason Vegeta's didn't because he was drained by Moro too since he had to hit the ground.

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Post by TobyS » Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:41 pm

Xeogran wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:18 pm
TobyS wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:14 amHis ki probably would have allowed Goku to break free but maybe not puncture the gem.
Oh please, Jiren's Ki would definitely be enough to get Goku back to MUI and shatter the gem. The only reason Vegeta's didn't because he was drained by Moro too since he had to hit the ground.
I thought it had to be god ki specifically, and where did it say it was only tiredness stopping Geets fueling UI when he's weaker then UI even not tired and also had additional help
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Peach » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:25 am

Hellspawn28 wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:08 pm What if Jiren help out Goku and Vegeta against Moro?
I think Jiren's power would be too much for Moro's body to handle.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Peach » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:54 pm

1. What if Cooler was with Sorbet and Tagoma during Frieza's revival?


2. What if Cooler came to Earth with King Cold and Mecha Frieza?

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:19 pm

What if Shadow Dragons were created from the overuse of the Super Dragonballs? What would they be like and how powerful would they be?
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Post by Koitsukai » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:13 pm

Peach wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:54 pm 1. What if Cooler was with Sorbet and Tagoma during Frieza's revival?


2. What if Cooler came to Earth with King Cold and Mecha Frieza?
1- King Cold would've been revived as well. Maybe Golden Freeza would've ended up being stronger after training with someone much stronger than Tagoma, like Cooler. Cold and Cooler shouldn't improve much and be a decent challenge for Gohan(Buu arc/BoG Gohan), Piccolo, Gotenks, Buu... probably something more interesting to see than RoF's horde battle.
Goku and Vegeta would need to fight together, like Whis intended them to, to defeat Freeza.

2- Trunks effortlessly took Cold and Freeza out, I don't think Cooler could've done much. Maybe Trunks would've needed to use his full power, and even if that wasn't enough, with what little help Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan could offer, would suffice.
In Trunks' timeline, we don't know how Goku dealt with them, but if he has the same conviction Trunks had, then Cooler goes down as easy as Freeza, if not easier.
Polyphase Avatron wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:19 pm What if Shadow Dragons were created from the overuse of the Super Dragonballs? What would they be like and how powerful would they be?
If tiny little orbs created a character stronger than SS4, planet-sized orbs might create characters stronger than a hakaishin. If the power of the dragons depends on the creator, then the dragons might be as strong as angels, or more.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by sunsetshimmer » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:06 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:19 pm What if Shadow Dragons were created from the overuse of the Super Dragonballs? What would they be like and how powerful would they be?
If we assume that size of dragon balls have anything to do with amount of negative energy they can keep, then obviously those dragons would one shot everything in franchise seeing how powerful regular dragons were. But that would also mean you'd need A LOT of wishes to make them crack which means they would probably never happen anyway.

Also, those dragons would either have to scale with super dragon balls and be larger than galaxies, or their counterpart of Omega wouldn't have ability to swallow dragon balls because obviously human sized dragon can't swallow planet sized ball.
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