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Supreme Kai's strength

Post by Captain Strawberry » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:33 pm

how strong is he?
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:53 pm

Slightly weaker than Dabura and beginning of Buu saga SSJ2 Gohan.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:43 pm

About as strong as an ant, if an ant was this big.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by dbgtFO » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:12 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:About as strong as an ant, if an ant was this big.
Then he's no match for my finger poke of doom then!

Kaioshin's strength falls between Piccolo's and Gohan's. That's as definitive as it gets.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by nickzambuto » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:33 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:About as strong as an ant, if an ant was this big.
Yes, he is true Super Sand Lesbian.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:41 pm

I see Kioashin's strength being in low SSJ2 tier given that he was able to survive a beating from Majin Buu (pre-spilt).
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:50 pm

I would not put him SSJ2 tier. He was shitting bricks when he saw Dabura... and Yakon... and Pui Pui...
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:57 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I would not put him SSJ2 tier. He was shitting bricks when he saw Dabura... and Yakon... and Pui Pui...
Yet, he survived Majin Buu laying the smackdown on his candy ass.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:11 pm

He was also able to paralyze Gohan with his telekinesis.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:36 pm

  • He was said to be the weakest of the 5 Kaioshin.
  • He said that he was strong enough to kill Freeza with a single blow.
  • Piccolo said that Kaioshin is much stronger than him.
  • After seeing SS2 Goku defeating Yakon, he was couldn't believe that he was surpassed by mortals.
  • He was weaker than Dabra, who was about as strong as Cell.
  • His paralizing abilities were powerful enough to hold SS2 Gohan (who was probably not at full power), but it was quite hard for him.
  • SS or SS2* Gohan's full power was far beyond his.
  • He couldn't pull the Z-Sword, but SS or SS2* Gohan could.
*SS or SS2: It's not clear if Gohan was a SS or a SS2 in these parts of the story. Personally, I believe he was a SS2, but please let's not bring this discussion here, just agree that we disagree.

Kaioshin is stronger than the Super Saiyans in Boo arc IMO, but he is far below the Super Saiyan 2s. He becomes even more powerful after merging with Kibito, who was weaker than base Gohan, but he couldn't provide any help against Gotenks Boo. He was also scared of Pure Boo, so I guess this would place him below SS3 Goku, but probably above the SS2s.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by FoolsGil » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:19 pm

He could fight evenly with Dabura.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:38 am

On par with the Perfect Cell that fought Goku and Gohan.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:54 am

nickzambuto wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:About as strong as an ant, if an ant was this big.
Yes, he is true Super Sand Lesbian.
Well, he's at least weaker than Kaka Carmen Electra, the Super Pooper Scooper.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by xmysticgohanx » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:17 am

Weaker than Yakon which means weaker than base Goku
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:21 am

I don't think he was weaker than Yakon. He was just being overly cautious.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by Daisetsu » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:50 am

xmysticgohanx wrote:Weaker than Yakon which means weaker than base Goku
So, Kaioshin is weaker than base Goku... who is weaker than Freeza... who is weaker than Kaioshin...

Are you saying this is just a case of rock paper scissors?
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by Kamicciolo » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:36 am

Being around Super Saiyan Goku/Gohan's level at the Cell Games seemed like a decent level to me (at least as a baseline), with maybe his magic/psychic powers being a little higher calibre just because of his status. Seems like a comfortable level for how relevant he was (lower than Cell/Dabura, but high enough that Buu didn't waste him with a single blow).
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:55 am

xmysticgohanx wrote:Weaker than Yakon which means weaker than base Goku
He wasn't weaker than Yakon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by rereboy » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:59 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: so I guess this would place him below SS3 Goku, but probably above the SS2s.
If that was the case he would be more helpful than Vegeta against Kid Buu and, thus, had no reason to leave it to just them.
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Re: Supreme Kai's strength

Post by Captain Strawberry » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:20 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:I don't think he was weaker than Yakon. He was just being overly cautious.
He has the right to be cautious because of Yakon's abilities. Just because your stronger than someone doesn't necessarily still mean you will win.
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