Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

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Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:06 am

If you don't know what I'm talking about, I think it's safe to say that the more damage a fighter takes, the weaker their BP becomes, right? But then, you get a situation like Goku on Namek against Freeza. Before he became a SSJ, he got the stuffing beaten out of him, pushed his body to the limits with a Kaioken x 20 Kamehameha, and drained even more energy out of him with the Genki Dama. But as we all know, the multiplier for SSJ is 50 times the Saiyan's base BP and in this case, Goku's base BP is 3,000,000, which makes his SSJ BP 150,000,000, enough to beat Freeza's 120,000,000. But why does it multiply the normal BP, regardless of the circumstances, instead of what it is at its current level?

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Re: Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:41 am

Unlike Kaio-ken, which amplifies & multiplies existing power, Super Saiyan doesn't actually multiply the power of the user, it draws out dormant powers & adds them to the user's power, which makes him 50 times stronger. Example:

Goku (Full Power)
Base - 3.000.000
Kaio-ken x20 - 60.000.000
Super Saiyan - 150.000.000

Goku (Tired)
Base - 500.000
Kaio-ken x20 - 10.000.000
Super Saiyan - 147.500.000

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Re: Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:48 am

It also might be worth noting that Freeza's transformations appeared to undo any damage he had taken (such as his tail being cut off).
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Re: Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by nickzambuto » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:46 am

Ki has displayed restorative properties, with characters like Dende and Kibito having the ability to heal wounds. Ki is basically a do-all-fix-all plot device when you master it enough, I mean when characters like Piccolo can create matter from thin air, the limits of this ki junk seem endless. Therefore, when characters transform and receive a massive increase to their ki, it automatically (and almost unwillingly) regenerates them.

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Re: Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by LightBing » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:41 pm

Lunatic Fringe wrote:If you don't know what I'm talking about, I think it's safe to say that the more damage a fighter takes, the weaker their BP becomes, right? But then, you get a situation like Goku on Namek against Freeza. Before he became a SSJ, he got the stuffing beaten out of him, pushed his body to the limits with a Kaioken x 20 Kamehameha, and drained even more energy out of him with the Genki Dama. But as we all know, the multiplier for SSJ is 50 times the Saiyan's base BP and in this case, Goku's base BP is 3,000,000, which makes his SSJ BP 150,000,000, enough to beat Freeza's 120,000,000. But why does it multiply the normal BP, regardless of the circumstances, instead of what it is at its current level?
In that situation I have them weaker, because of damage taken. And the numbers given are of their hypothetical maximum power during the fight. I have them at below 60.000.000 although my multiplier is just 40x. It's silly to believe, Freeza was at full-power, he had just taken a genki dama to the face.

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Re: Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:57 pm

This has always irked me too though as LightBing stated above, it could just be them stating their hypothetical max PLs if they took no damage at all. Its also possible the rush of power Goku got from using Super Saiyan coupled with his anger probably gave him one hell of an adrenaline rush. Freeza's injuries also likely contributed to his body losing strength quickly as well.
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Re: Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by Rukura » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:49 pm

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Unless it's a fusion/absorption kinda situation, they usually don't. Taking Goku's first Super Saiyan transformation as an example, you can still see him bleeding. We can say for sure that it's a mix of ki surge and adrenaline rush, as he's totally worn out by the time he gets to Yardrat.
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Re: Why Do Power Ups Seem To Ignore Damage?

Post by Doctor. » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:02 pm

Let us not pretend that Freeza wasn't just as damaged as Goku, so it doesn't mean that SS restored his health.

The Daizenshuu (and other guidebooks) probably put Goku at 150M because it's easier and more convenient than having to make numbers for a tired Goku and a tired Freeza.

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