theory: 10xkk ssjb is not 10x

[Chiki]

^ welcome to the forums and I suggest checking out the Super power level thread. Also in regards to your latest post there is a larger group of people on here who do believe that SSJ2 Trunks is >>>>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Gotenks.....

I'm one of those people, I honestly think Future Trunks at base has more strength than a base Gotenks. A fusions power depends on how strong Goten and Trunks are, who are very weak compared to the rest, and Super Saiyan 3 won't mean squat if the base isn't up to snuff. I think a Vegeta and Goku base are stronger than a SSJ3 Gotenks as well but a SSJ2 FT is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

How the heck did Trunks get so strong by training by himself? Vegeta spent 7 years during the Buu arc training alone and he didn't get anywhere near that far. Future Gohan spent like what, 15 years training alone in the future timeline and got nowhere.

[mAcChaos]

^ welcome to the forums and I suggest checking out the Super power level thread. Also in regards to your latest post there is a larger group of people on here who do believe that SSJ2 Trunks is >>>>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Gotenks.....

I'm one of those people, I honestly think Future Trunks at base has more strength than a base Gotenks. A fusions power depends on how strong Goten and Trunks are, who are very weak compared to the rest, and Super Saiyan 3 won't mean squat if the base isn't up to snuff. I think a Vegeta and Goku base are stronger than a SSJ3 Gotenks as well but a SSJ2 FT is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

How the heck did Trunks get so strong by training by himself? Vegeta spent 7 years during the Buu arc training alone and he didn't get anywhere near that far. Future Gohan spent like what, 15 years training alone in the future timeline and got nowhere.

He got real training in the Cell arc, at the very least. So now he knows what to do.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think it's possible that when used at such a level, Kaio-ken doesn't multiply all stats evenly.

[Hitiro]

I think it's possible that when used at such a level, Kaio-ken doesn't multiply all stats evenly.

Goku does say "if he gets it right all his stats become many times greater" so I guess that is one way to look at it. But then it could also imply that everything increases by the same scale so if his battle power is doubled then so should his other stats be multiplied. And that "getting it right" is just using it and not dying. I would say it certainly suggests that all his states were multiplied.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think it's possible that when used at such a level, Kaio-ken doesn't multiply all stats evenly.

Goku does say "if he gets it right all his stats become many times greater" so I guess that is one way to look at it. But then it could also imply that everything increases by the same scale so if his battle power is doubled then so should his other stats be multiplied. And that "getting it right" is just using it and not dying. I would say it certainly suggests that all his states were multiplied.

Yeah but it was never ever tested in combination with a Super Saiyan form using god ki... so there's no guarantee it would work as advertised under those circumstances. It could have multiplied his speed by 10 but his strength by only like 1.1 or something.

[Hitiro]

Yeah but it was never ever tested in combination with a Super Saiyan form using god ki... so there's no guarantee it would work as advertised under those circumstances. It could have multiplied his speed by 10 but his strength by only like 1.1 or something.

Hit specifically notes Goku's Ki multiplying with his SSJB form. I also think that if it were any different from just using it regularly we would have been told as such in some fashion. But as I was saying the way Goku talks about the technique it seems that amplifying your Ki has a linear effect on all your stats. If you multiply your Ki(Battle Power) by 2x then all your stats are increased by the same amount.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Yeah but it was never ever tested in combination with a Super Saiyan form using god ki... so there's no guarantee it would work as advertised under those circumstances. It could have multiplied his speed by 10 but his strength by only like 1.1 or something.

Hit specifically notes Goku's Ki multiplying with his SSJB form. I also think that if it were any different from just using it regularly we would have been told as such in some fashion. But as I was saying the way Goku talks about the technique it seems that amplifying your Ki has a linear effect on all your stats. If you multiply your Ki(Battle Power) by 2x then all your stats are increased by the same amount.

Well that wasn't true when Trunks when USSJ grade 2 against Cell. I'm just saying Goku's strength from SSJB would be increased but not as much as his speed, maybe.

[Hitiro]

Well that wasn't true when Trunks when USSJ grade 2 against Cell. I'm just saying Goku's strength from SSJB would be increased but not as much as his speed, maybe.

That wasn't merely amplifying Ki though. That was amping via muscle mass which was stated to decrease your speed and it clearly explained why this happens too. Any time a character has transformed or amplified their Ki correctly it has always increased all stats. Trunks even says that Gohan did it correctly when he turned SSJ2.

[dbgtFO]

Trunks even says that Gohan did it correctly when he turned SSJ2.

*Funi dub Trunks, that is.

[Hitiro]

Trunks even says that Gohan did it correctly when he turned SSJ2.

*Funi dub Trunks, that is.

Yeah, sorry.