Speedster wrote:V-Jump also says that the power level of SSJ Goku in the Buu arc is 150 million.
Goku could of very well of been suppressed.
The 40 million for Yakkon was actually derived by the 800/3000 ratio of Yakkon's to SSJ Goku's power in kili scale.
Supposedly the numbers 800 and 3000 and numbers used when talking about a large amount in japanese, so that is most likely why those numbers were chosen.
"Incidentally, the numbers given for Yakon and Goku, 800 and 3,000, are both commonly used in Japanese as a symbolic way of saying “an enormous amount”, similar to the way the number 40 is used throughout the Christian Bible. For instance, the 800 temples of Kyoto are proverbial, as are the 8 million gods of Shinto (8 million being 800 man in Japanese, that is 800×10,000), while in Buddhism the phrase “3,000 worlds” signifies all of creation."
-I got this from this sight on power levels.
They really aren't mean to mean much except that ssj Goku>Yakon.
As you can see the original premise of V-jump (that SSJ Goku in the Buu arc has a power level of 150mllion) is bullshit.
only if that's his full power.
And so is Yakkon's 40million.
How so? Yakkon being at 40 million makes perfect sense. Also 200-300 kilis is supposed to be enough power to destroy a planet or two, so if you go by V-jumps calculation that means a power level of around 5 million is planet level, which makes sense, and if anything that's a high number. So saying that 3,000 kilis should be more than 150 mil or 800 kilis should be more than 40 mil is like saying to planet bust you need a power level in the mid millions, which is way too high.
dragon boss z wrote:
Speedster wrote:Why does Gohan need to be much stronger than SSJ Vegeta in the Cell Games?
Because it was confirmed ssj Vegeta<<<ssj Goku<=>ssj Gohan...
Not sure why you disagree then.
What? I never disagreed with Gohan being a lot stronger with Vegeta. I though you were disagreeing with that. Saying "Why does Gohan need to be much stronger than ssj Vegeta in the Cell Games" sounds like you are saying he isn't.
Yes, SSJ Gohan in the Cell games was considerably stronger than SSJ Vegeta in the Cell games and much stronger than the Super Vegeta who faced Semi Perfect Cell. We know that FPSSJ1 Goku (who was about equal to FPSSJ Gohan) when he powered in front of Karin to 50% of his maximum was enough to make Vegeta jealous and Trunks to stand in awe. So FPSSJ Gohan in the Cell games must had been like 4-4.5x stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell. Combining this with the 3.75x multiplier of SSJ in the Buu arc and base Gohan, even weaker by 10%, is still above Semi-Perfect Cell’s level.
there is no way ssj is a 3.75x multiplier. The lowest it would be is x10, but really it is still most likely x50. Whis even confirmed it multiplied their power tens of times over in Super.
Also Gohan doesn't need to be 4x stronger than semi perfect cell. Vegeta was maybe 30% stronger than semi perfect Cell, and Gohan was maybe a little over twice Vegeta. I would say 2.5x to 3x at most.
I doubt Piccolo reached Semi-Perfect Cell by the Buu arc. That is a level more than double of his power against #17.
You realized Goku got over 5x stronger while in the ROSAT right?
Also Piccolo just fused with Kami which means his potential to get stronger probably grew.
In the 3 year time skip training for the androids Piccolo went from second form Frieza tier to 50% Frieza tier. That's over 20x stronger.
We don't disagree much. You say they are 2x stronger. I say they are 3x. But that 1.5x difference is enough to put him below base Gohan in the Buu arc.
tbh where we disagree most is the ssj multiplier, our levels of power for their max is pretty similar.
Goten and Trunks in base are about Freeza level as per the “Yo Son Goku and his friends return” special. As Super Saiyans they are stronger than #18 and likely a bit above Piccolo.
Abo and Cado were as strong as Frieza's first form.