That was before Toriyama thought of the power levels. How did the humans got from 177, 206 and 250 all the way to 1480, 1770 and 1830 respectively? I know they trained with Kami, but they wouldn't get to those power levels that are over Raditz if Goku also trained with Kami for a good 3 years, right?dragon boss z wrote: There was 5 years between the 23rd budokai and Raditz showing up and Goku's power level went from somewhere above 300 to 416.
Yes, I know that. Here's my power scaling chart to get an idea of what I try to say:dragon boss z wrote:In between the Cell and Buu saga Goku wasn't even able to get his ssj form stronger than ssj2 teen Gohan.
SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Majin Vegeta - 100
SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)/Super Perfect Cell/SSJ2 Vegeta (Buu Saga) - 80
SSJ2 Gohan (Buu Saga) - 65
Perfect Cell - 60
SSJ Goku (Buu Saga) - 50
SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)/SSJ Vegeta (Buu Saga) - 40
Dabura - 35
SSJ Gohan (Buu Saga) - 32.5
SSJ Goku (Cell Games) - 30
Supreme Kai - 25
Cell Jr/Base Goku (Buu Saga) - 20
SSJ Vegeta (Cell Games) - 18
Base Vegeta (Buu Saga) - 16
SSJ Future Trunks (Cell Games) - 15
Base Gohan (Buu Saga) - 13
Yakon - 13
Piccolo (Buu Saga) - 10.5
Piccolo (Cell Games) - 6.5
My reasons are stated above, that the humans also got 1 year of training and were suddenly above Raditz, unlike in DB, when Goku only got to the 300 mark by 3 full years of training.dragon boss z wrote:It is extremely unlikely Goku got his base over 40x stronger just from training.
But those numbers were indeed given to us to demostrate their gaps in their powers, to show what they have, sure Goku may be supressing his power a little, but who says he was not supressing was well in his base? The same case can be applied in DBS when Goku fought Beerus, although in that case it was just to test his strenght, unlike against Yakon in which Goku was more rushed.dragon boss z wrote:3,000 kilis probably wasn't Goku's full power. Also those numbers were picked because 800 and 3000 are a pun on really large numbers in Japanese. I put the quote in a earlier post.
Maybe when they achieved Super Saiyan God, the multiplier got over X10. I would like to see the scene where that statement is said, since I can't rewatch all the episodes to look for it.dragon boss z wrote:Whis confirmed ssj multiplies their power tens of times over.