Did Toriyama go too far with Videl's beatdown?

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Did Toriyama go too far with Videl's beatdown?

Post by Totamo » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:24 pm

Now akira toriyama has been accused of many things but one of the most serious things is that he is misogynistic.

Now i find that claim to be bullshit, but thats another topic.

The example people bring up is videl vs sopopvich.

In your honets opinion did it go to far.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by Doctor. » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:27 pm

Are we really considering whether or not Toriyama went too far with a mild beatdown where Videl loses some teeth in the series where people get a hole through their chest all the time, where children get their neck snapped and where innocents get their heads and lower bodies chopped off? Hell, in the same exact battle, Videl twisted Spopovitch's neck.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:33 pm

Doctor. wrote:Are we really considering whether or not Toriyama went too far with a mild beatdown where Videl loses some teeth in the series where people get a hole through their chest all the time, where children get their neck snapped and where innocents get their heads and lower bodies chopped off? Hell, in the same exact battle, Videl twisted Spopovitch's neck.
As long as a it's a straight white guy being on the receiving end of some punishment it is okay, anyone else? You're an ist of some kind.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by Marco Polo » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:57 pm

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He didn't go too far with Videl's beatdown.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by Totamo » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:04 pm

Marco Polo wrote:Image
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He didn't go too far with Videl's beatdown.
Ah japan.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:51 pm

Doctor. wrote:Are we really considering whether or not Toriyama went too far with a mild beatdown where Videl loses some teeth in the series where people get a hole through their chest all the time, where children get their neck snapped and where innocents get their heads and lower bodies chopped off? Hell, in the same exact battle, Videl twisted Spopovitch's neck.
And an innocent elderly couple get sniped in the head.

Videl is a fighter, fighter's risk getting the shit beat out of them. It's no worse (nor even as bad really) as child Gohan getting his neck snapped by Recoome.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by sintzu » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:31 pm

Compared to everything else that happened ? no, not even close.
ekrolo2 wrote:As long as a it's a straight white guy being on the receiving end of some punishment it is okay.
Imagine how people would react if Vegeta was Black when Freeza was beating him to death ? saying people would lose their minds would be putting it nicely.
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He didn't go too far with Videl's beatdown.
Ah japan.
What's wrong with this ? he was the final villain of the RRA arc, not exactly a bad deal.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by saunasolmu » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:37 am

No. For example Goku's been beaten down much worse in the series. Just because it happened to a woman doesn't suddenly make it misogynistic, as neither does Vegeta getting brutally battered by no.18 make it misandric.

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Post by Valerius Dover » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:16 am

Furthermore, one has to remember that it was explicitly and repeatedly pointed out that she could've thrown the fight at any point, but her pride wouldn't allow it. Sure, it marks a massive tone shift from the episodes preceding it, but I would say it's relatively tame compared to some of the beatings that Vegeta's been at the receiving end of, for example.
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:44 am

The bigger crime was Gohan not getting to fight Sopovitch.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by rereboy » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:16 am

Marco Polo wrote:Image
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He didn't go too far with Videl's beatdown.
Those characters only had some stereotypical humor attached to them. It's no big deal honestly.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by DragonBallLove » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:54 am

I can see what you say about stereotypes with Otokosuki (albeit I always though he was a specifical Freddy Mercury parody), but whats remotely wrong with those black people depictions FOR A CULTURE WITH NO SLAVERY, SEGREGATION, COON IMAGERY OR BLACKFACES? Historical butthurting, I can understand. But shoving your traumas into others (either people or cultures) is just short-sighted.

African descendant people tend to have bigger lips. Biological fact. Now people are going to say that each character with slanted eyes is a negative depiction of asians and ignore the existance of epicanthic folds?

Now on topic, Videl's beatdown isn't sexist at all. The lack of strong female fighters is, by the way, specially of trained female fighters (in contrast to externally-altered -C18-, artificial -Arale-, or pertaining to a powerfully haxxed race -Towa, "Kauri"- ). You can of course undestand that the ultimate sexism is in the minds and normal psychological constitution of the target demographics: prepubescent to teenager males.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by floofychan333 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:44 pm

I wouldn't say it went too far. It was despicable, yes, but I'm sure it wasn't intended to be offensive to women. I don't really think Akira Toriyama is sexist per se, but Toei animation is fairly sexist.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by kinisking » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:15 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Are we really considering whether or not Toriyama went too far with a mild beatdown where Videl loses some teeth in the series where people get a hole through their chest all the time, where children get their neck snapped and where innocents get their heads and lower bodies chopped off? Hell, in the same exact battle, Videl twisted Spopovitch's neck.
As long as a it's a straight white guy being on the receiving end of some punishment it is okay, anyone else? You're an ist of some kind.
Meanwhile none of the main characters are white men, and there has been violence aimed at pretty much all nationalities in Dragonball yet I don't see much complaints.

Honestly, who thinks like that though? If someone thinks like that, they're part of a bigoted minority.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:34 pm

kinisking wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Are we really considering whether or not Toriyama went too far with a mild beatdown where Videl loses some teeth in the series where people get a hole through their chest all the time, where children get their neck snapped and where innocents get their heads and lower bodies chopped off? Hell, in the same exact battle, Videl twisted Spopovitch's neck.
As long as a it's a straight white guy being on the receiving end of some punishment it is okay, anyone else? You're an ist of some kind.
Meanwhile none of the main characters are white men, and there has been violence aimed at pretty much all nationalities in Dragonball yet I don't see much complaints.

Honestly, who thinks like that though? If someone thinks like that, they're part of a bigoted minority.
I was half joking with that white men part but yeah, there's a massive movement going around and calling everyone a sexist or rasist or some other ist because only straight white men can be portrayed in a negative light in fiction. Do that to anyone else and prepare for the special snowflake avalanche to bury your ass.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by kinisking » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:37 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
kinisking wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: As long as a it's a straight white guy being on the receiving end of some punishment it is okay, anyone else? You're an ist of some kind.
Meanwhile none of the main characters are white men, and there has been violence aimed at pretty much all nationalities in Dragonball yet I don't see much complaints.

Honestly, who thinks like that though? If someone thinks like that, they're part of a bigoted minority.
I was half joking with that white men part but yeah, there's a massive movement going around and calling everyone a sexist or rasist or some other ist because only straight white men can be portrayed in a negative light in fiction. Do that to anyone else and prepare for the special snowflake avalanche to bury your ass.
Eh, that's just a loud minority being idiots. Not everyone is like that. If that's true, all these tv shows or movies that depict members of other races in a negative light wouldn't be so successful.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by rereboy » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:07 pm

True, that's only a local vocal minority. They are good at appearing to be many but they aren't that many. It's just that everybody nowadays has a "voice" through the internet.

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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by Soppa Saia People » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:25 pm

No, not at all. It's not even the most brutal moment in the series. That goes to Gohan getting his neck snapped.
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by Kanassa » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:38 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
kinisking wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: As long as a it's a straight white guy being on the receiving end of some punishment it is okay, anyone else? You're an ist of some kind.
Meanwhile none of the main characters are white men, and there has been violence aimed at pretty much all nationalities in Dragonball yet I don't see much complaints.

Honestly, who thinks like that though? If someone thinks like that, they're part of a bigoted minority.
I was half joking with that white men part but yeah, there's a massive movement going around and calling everyone a sexist or rasist or some other ist because only straight white men can be portrayed in a negative light in fiction. Do that to anyone else and prepare for the special snowflake avalanche to bury your ass.
To be fair, the same people witht his thought process are most likely the same people who think 'White, asian. Same thing'
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Re: did toriyama go too far with videl's beatdown

Post by flashback0180 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:43 am

I appreciate it actually , compared to how easily chi chi was defeated with only a slap on the wrist .

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