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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Ricardolindo » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:34 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:
MOVIE 13: WRATH OF THE DRAGON
-Released on July 15, 1995.
-Canon, right after Pure Buu's defeat. Alive Goku and Vegeta, SSJ3 Gotenks, Chou Gohan are all there. It fits perfectly, just like Bojack Unbound.
Super contradicts it, as it's indicated that Bulma hasn't developed the fuel, much less built a time machine, until the events of the Future Trunks arc, years after when the events of movie 13 would have taken place. Additionally, the time machine she does have, from the Cell arc, is still in her possession, thus there's no way Tapion could have been given a time machine at the end of the movie.
Movie 13 could have happened in GT's timeline. It would explain GT Trunks having a sword and Goku's use of the Dragon Fist in GT.

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Post by Ricardolindo » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:35 pm

Ricardolindo wrote:
Darkprince410 wrote:
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:
MOVIE 13: WRATH OF THE DRAGON
-Released on July 15, 1995.
-Canon, right after Pure Buu's defeat. Alive Goku and Vegeta, SSJ3 Gotenks, Chou Gohan are all there. It fits perfectly, just like Bojack Unbound.
Super contradicts it, as it's indicated that Bulma hasn't developed the fuel, much less built a time machine, until the events of the Future Trunks arc, years after when the events of movie 13 would have taken place. Additionally, the time machine she does have, from the Cell arc, is still in her possession, thus there's no way Tapion could have been given a time machine at the end of the movie.
Movie 13 could have happened in GT's timeline (which is an alternate timeline, where Super didn't happen). It would explain GT Trunks having a sword and Goku's use of the Dragon Fist in GT.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:31 pm

That is very likely considering other movie villians appear on GT as well.
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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:32 pm

Firstly, Daizenshuu 6 blatantly says movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 13 happen on the main timeline. So you can throw out any what-if scenarios for those.

Movie 7 is explicitly a "parallel world".

The others are "movie-only events" or "movie inconsistencies".

Toei has in the past put Super and GT on the same timeline at exhibitions, etc. So the only flat out parallel world stories are the Dragon Ball movies 1-3, DBZ Movies 2-4, 7, and 12, and the 20th Anniversary Movie.
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Post by Ricardolindo » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:44 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Firstly, Daizenshuu 6 blatantly says movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 13 happen on the main timeline. So you can throw out any what-if scenarios for those.

Movie 7 is explicitly a "parallel world".

The others are "movie-only events" or "movie inconsistencies".

Toei has in the past put Super and GT on the same timeline at exhibitions, etc. So the only flat out parallel world stories are the Dragon Ball movies 1-3, DBZ Movies 2-4, 7, and 12, and the 20th Anniversary Movie.
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline. Also, for now, the 20th Anniversary Movie happens in the main timeline because Toriyama, himself, said it happens after the Tournament of Power.
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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:46 pm

Ricardolindo wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Firstly, Daizenshuu 6 blatantly says movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 13 happen on the main timeline. So you can throw out any what-if scenarios for those.

Movie 7 is explicitly a "parallel world".

The others are "movie-only events" or "movie inconsistencies".

Toei has in the past put Super and GT on the same timeline at exhibitions, etc. So the only flat out parallel world stories are the Dragon Ball movies 1-3, DBZ Movies 2-4, 7, and 12, and the 20th Anniversary Movie.
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline.
And who said Xenoverse was canon?
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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:47 pm

Ricardolindo wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Firstly, Daizenshuu 6 blatantly says movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 13 happen on the main timeline. So you can throw out any what-if scenarios for those.

Movie 7 is explicitly a "parallel world".

The others are "movie-only events" or "movie inconsistencies".

Toei has in the past put Super and GT on the same timeline at exhibitions, etc. So the only flat out parallel world stories are the Dragon Ball movies 1-3, DBZ Movies 2-4, 7, and 12, and the 20th Anniversary Movie.
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline. Also, for now, the 20th Anniversary Movie happens in the main timeline because Toriyama, himself, said it happens after the Tournament of Power.
I meant 10th Anniversary Movie. D'oh!
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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Ricardolindo » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:49 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Firstly, Daizenshuu 6 blatantly says movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 13 happen on the main timeline. So you can throw out any what-if scenarios for those.

Movie 7 is explicitly a "parallel world".

The others are "movie-only events" or "movie inconsistencies".

Toei has in the past put Super and GT on the same timeline at exhibitions, etc. So the only flat out parallel world stories are the Dragon Ball movies 1-3, DBZ Movies 2-4, 7, and 12, and the 20th Anniversary Movie.
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline.
And who said Xenoverse was canon?
Logics. We would be left with some unanwsered questions, without them.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Ricardolindo » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:51 pm

Ricardolindo wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline.
And who said Xenoverse was canon?
Logics. We would be left with some unanwsered questions, without it.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

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Ricardolindo wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline.
And who said Xenoverse was canon?
Logics. We would be left with some unanwsered questions, without them.
That's not how it works. Unless the owners say something does or doesn't count, you can't assert that it is. "Logics" is not evidence.
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Post by szopman » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:28 am

Ok, so before DBS, I considered as canon the movies 1,5,8-10 and 13 (+ Bardock and Trunks Specials, "Yo!..." and new DBZ movies with Beerus).
But now, when DBS is almost finished, I'd say that it's hard to consider movies 8,10 and 13 as canon. 8 and 10 mostly because Vegeta and Goku don't recognise the LSSJ form when it appeares in DBS. Kale's LSJJ is something completely new to them (I still hope Toyatorou will fix this and make some small reference at least to Broly). And movie 13 because in DBS Bulma learns how to build a time machine (which she built easily in movie13).
But, I'll prefer to treat those things as small inconsistencies when I will be rewatching the whole series, simply because I really love those three movies :)

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Ricardolindo » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:30 am

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I don't see any reason to Trunks traveling on time change Cooler's arrival. Even if changed, i think Cooler would take control of Freeza's imperor instead of Sorbet, or at least be mentioned on FnF. Movie 7 can't fit on the unseen timeline, since Piccolo is fused with Kami here.

1. That depends on how later Raditz arrived (If he arrives at all). I don't think if he arrived some days/weeks later it could make a difference at all. It would take a time to convince Chi-Chi and turns Gohan in a real figher.

2) What's the problem with movie 6? I actually liked, it's not like Movie 11 or something.

3) If Vegeta managed to kill Cell, he would have killed 18 too, Krillin can't stop him and Trunks would be on Vegeta's side. Also, Goku and Gohan wouldn't left the Rosat earlier because Vegeta killed Cell, they can't sense anything that happens on the outside. Maybe Gohan left the Rosat to see how things where going outside, and after he saw Vegeta killed Cell he didn't returned and Goku take it easy on the training.
Grimlock wrote:I'm pretty sure Daizenshuu 6 points exactly when all movies take place in the timeline, it'd be cool if someone has a link to the old Kanzentai website, I think it's all there for us to see.
Yeah, but it was pretty vague. It say things like "Lord Slug takes place when Goku should be on Namek" and never say about what happen to things go different.
What exactly is the proof, that in movie 7, Piccolo and Kami were fused? Even if there is, then it can still fit in the unseen timeline if we assume that in that timeline, Piccolo and Kami fused as an extra caution for the fight against the androids.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

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Ricardolindo wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Firstly, Daizenshuu 6 blatantly says movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 13 happen on the main timeline. So you can throw out any what-if scenarios for those.

Movie 7 is explicitly a "parallel world".

The others are "movie-only events" or "movie inconsistencies".

Toei has in the past put Super and GT on the same timeline at exhibitions, etc. So the only flat out parallel world stories are the Dragon Ball movies 1-3, DBZ Movies 2-4, 7, and 12, and the 20th Anniversary Movie.
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline. Also, for now, the 20th Anniversary Movie happens in the main timeline because Toriyama, himself, said it happens after the Tournament of Power.
I forgot that the Coolers were given a date of 767, where does that equate too in the canon timeline??
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
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Post by Ricardolindo » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:54 pm

TobyS wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Firstly, Daizenshuu 6 blatantly says movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 13 happen on the main timeline. So you can throw out any what-if scenarios for those.

Movie 7 is explicitly a "parallel world".

The others are "movie-only events" or "movie inconsistencies".

Toei has in the past put Super and GT on the same timeline at exhibitions, etc. So the only flat out parallel world stories are the Dragon Ball movies 1-3, DBZ Movies 2-4, 7, and 12, and the 20th Anniversary Movie.
Movies 5 and 9 could, indeed, have happened in the main timeline.
It is impossible for movie 6 ever have happened in the main timeline because when Dende became god of Earth, Gohan had already reached Super Saiyan. It was also implied in Xenoverse 2 that movie happened in an alternate timeline of age 767. As for movie 8, many try to place it during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games but this has problems since during the movie's beginning people were calm and happy that does not make sense since during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, people belived Earth would be destroyed. It's also likely that, in that case, Cell would have stepped in and killed Broly, himself. Movies 10 and 11 depend on movie 8 being canon, and the chronology of the Buu crisis is too tight for movie 11 to have happened. It was also confirmed in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 that those movies happen in an alternate timeline. As for movie 13, it could have happened in GT's timeline but not Super's due to, in the latter, Bulma, initally, not being able to build a time machine. GT is not in the same timeline as Super, not only would that bring several plotholes but also, Xenoverse confirmed GT is an alternate timeline. Also, for now, the 20th Anniversary Movie happens in the main timeline because Toriyama, himself, said it happens after the Tournament of Power.
I forgot that the Coolers were given a date of 767, where does that equate too in the canon timeline??
According to Xenoverse 2, the events of Return of Cooler happened in alternate timeline of age 767.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by KBABZ » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:47 pm

TobyS wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:I forgot that the Coolers were given a date of 767, where does that equate too in the canon timeline??
According to Xenoverse 2, the events of Return of Cooler happened in alternate timeline of age 767.
For context, that would be the same year the Androids show up, specifically somewhere between January and April because the Androids arrive on May 7th. If Trunks really also wanted to also make sure things with Cooler went smoothly, then on his second trip to the past he would have arrived then and stuck around for the remaining weeks/months until the Androids showed up.

One also needs to consider why Trunks picked the date in 764 for his first trip to the past as seen in the manga/show: it's the earliest point in time that he can meet with Goku, warn him of the future, and give him the heart medicine. That is ultimately the only reason why he went back in time in the first place; defeating Frieza and King Cold was only done because Trunks mistakenly thought events were going differently, and that was because he didn't know Goku had learned Instant Transmission.

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In terms of the Timeline though it makes things rather interesting; if you assume that the arrival of Cooler was in early January and Goku defeats him as seen in the film (and there's no reason not to think that), then that means that Goku succumbs to and dies from the Heart Virus a scant 3-4 months before the Androids show up!

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TobyS wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:I forgot that the Coolers were given a date of 767, where does that equate too in the canon timeline??
According to Xenoverse 2, the events of Return of Cooler happened in alternate timeline of age 767.
For context, that would be the same year the Androids show up, specifically somewhere between January and April because the Androids arrive on May 7th. If Trunks really also wanted to also make sure things with Cooler went smoothly, then on his second trip to the past he would have arrived then and stuck around for the remaining weeks/months until the Androids showed up.

One also needs to consider why Trunks picked the date in 764 for his first trip to the past as seen in the manga/show: it's the earliest point in time that he can meet with Goku, warn him of the future, and give him the heart medicine. That is ultimately the only reason why he went back in time in the first place; defeating Frieza and King Cold was only done because Trunks mistakenly thought events were going differently, and that was because he didn't know Goku had learned Instant Transmission.

---

In terms of the Timeline though it makes things rather interesting; if you assume that the arrival of Cooler was in early January and Goku defeats him as seen in the film (and there's no reason not to think that), then that means that Goku succumbs to and dies from the Heart Virus a scant 3-4 months before the Androids show up!
Strange, we don't know how the non canon stuff goes down in xenoverse though.

So he pulls those alternate metal Coolers into the canon timeline... Strange.

They left it deliberately ambiguous if there was a Cooler (and slug and turles etc) in the canon timeline....

Turles knows Goku but Goku doesn't know him (but that could be because he's attacking an earlier version of Goku). Freeza is shocked to see Cooler but he could just be shocked to see anyone else suddenly show up on the battlefield. Be his race, and side with him.

Man I love pondering about the plot but most people aren't interested.

I'm still trying to work out if there a multiple demigras/Towas etc. (because there seems to only be one Chronoa) how much U7 characters remember from each game etc etc.

Basically what diverged to create the movie characters and what happened to stop them or kill them before they met the canon cast in the main timeline...
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
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Post by Ricardolindo » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:55 am

TobyS wrote:
KBABZ wrote:
TobyS wrote: According to Xenoverse 2, the events of Return of Cooler happened in alternate timeline of age 767.
For context, that would be the same year the Androids show up, specifically somewhere between January and April because the Androids arrive on May 7th. If Trunks really also wanted to also make sure things with Cooler went smoothly, then on his second trip to the past he would have arrived then and stuck around for the remaining weeks/months until the Androids showed up.

One also needs to consider why Trunks picked the date in 764 for his first trip to the past as seen in the manga/show: it's the earliest point in time that he can meet with Goku, warn him of the future, and give him the heart medicine. That is ultimately the only reason why he went back in time in the first place; defeating Frieza and King Cold was only done because Trunks mistakenly thought events were going differently, and that was because he didn't know Goku had learned Instant Transmission.

---

In terms of the Timeline though it makes things rather interesting; if you assume that the arrival of Cooler was in early January and Goku defeats him as seen in the film (and there's no reason not to think that), then that means that Goku succumbs to and dies from the Heart Virus a scant 3-4 months before the Androids show up!
Strange, we don't know how the non canon stuff goes down in xenoverse though.

So he pulls those alternate metal Coolers into the canon timeline... Strange.

They left it deliberately ambiguous if there was a Cooler (and slug and turles etc) in the canon timeline....

Turles knows Goku but Goku doesn't know him (but that could be because he's attacking an earlier version of Goku). Freeza is shocked to see Cooler but he could just be shocked to see anyone else suddenly show up on the battlefield. Be his race, and side with him.

Man I love pondering about the plot but most people aren't interested.

I'm still trying to work out if there a multiple demigras/Towas etc. (because there seems to only be one Chronoa) how much U7 characters remember from each game etc etc.

Basically what diverged to create the movie characters and what happened to stop them or kill them before they met the canon cast in the main timeline...
We know a Cooler existed in the main timeline since Frieza recognized him in the Xenoverse games.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

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Ricardolindo wrote:
TobyS wrote:
KBABZ wrote: For context, that would be the same year the Androids show up, specifically somewhere between January and April because the Androids arrive on May 7th. If Trunks really also wanted to also make sure things with Cooler went smoothly, then on his second trip to the past he would have arrived then and stuck around for the remaining weeks/months until the Androids showed up.

One also needs to consider why Trunks picked the date in 764 for his first trip to the past as seen in the manga/show: it's the earliest point in time that he can meet with Goku, warn him of the future, and give him the heart medicine. That is ultimately the only reason why he went back in time in the first place; defeating Frieza and King Cold was only done because Trunks mistakenly thought events were going differently, and that was because he didn't know Goku had learned Instant Transmission.

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In terms of the Timeline though it makes things rather interesting; if you assume that the arrival of Cooler was in early January and Goku defeats him as seen in the film (and there's no reason not to think that), then that means that Goku succumbs to and dies from the Heart Virus a scant 3-4 months before the Androids show up!
Strange, we don't know how the non canon stuff goes down in xenoverse though.

So he pulls those alternate metal Coolers into the canon timeline... Strange.

They left it deliberately ambiguous if there was a Cooler (and slug and turles etc) in the canon timeline....

Turles knows Goku but Goku doesn't know him (but that could be because he's attacking an earlier version of Goku). Freeza is shocked to see Cooler but he could just be shocked to see anyone else suddenly show up on the battlefield. Be his race, and side with him.

Man I love pondering about the plot but most people aren't interested.

I'm still trying to work out if there a multiple demigras/Towas etc. (because there seems to only be one Chronoa) how much U7 characters remember from each game etc etc.

Basically what diverged to create the movie characters and what happened to stop them or kill them before they met the canon cast in the main timeline...
We know a Cooler existed in the main timeline since Frieza recognized him in the Xenoverse games.
But did he though? The dialogue in conton is not canon (characters don't react to each other, and Goku references gt but is an adult)

In the story mode he just reacts with surprise. No one else says his name anywhere. Every other movie is from an alt timeline it'd be weird for him to be an exception...
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Ricardolindo » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:20 am

TobyS wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:
TobyS wrote:
Strange, we don't know how the non canon stuff goes down in xenoverse though.

So he pulls those alternate metal Coolers into the canon timeline... Strange.

They left it deliberately ambiguous if there was a Cooler (and slug and turles etc) in the canon timeline....

Turles knows Goku but Goku doesn't know him (but that could be because he's attacking an earlier version of Goku). Freeza is shocked to see Cooler but he could just be shocked to see anyone else suddenly show up on the battlefield. Be his race, and side with him.

Man I love pondering about the plot but most people aren't interested.

I'm still trying to work out if there a multiple demigras/Towas etc. (because there seems to only be one Chronoa) how much U7 characters remember from each game etc etc.

Basically what diverged to create the movie characters and what happened to stop them or kill them before they met the canon cast in the main timeline...
We know a Cooler existed in the main timeline since Frieza recognized him in the Xenoverse games.
But did he though? The dialogue in conton is not canon (characters don't react to each other, and Goku references gt but is an adult)

In the story mode he just reacts with surprise. No one else says his name anywhere. Every other movie is from an alt timeline it'd be weird for him to be an exception...
He did recognize Cooler see https://youtu.be/aYSjIlJAG8o?t=3377 and https://youtu.be/aYSjIlJAG8o?t=3399. He said: "I-Is that you...!" and "B-Brother?!". He, obviously, knew who Cooler was. In Tokitoki/Conton City, the characters do react to each other, for example if you are under certain master, the other masters will comment on him. It is indeed canon. When did adult Goku reference GT?

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Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

Post by Almighty Majin » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:21 pm

I tend to think that the movies all happened in their own alternate timeline. Like this:

Pre-DB:
Bardock the Father of Goku
Episode of Bardock

DB:
Curse of the Blood Rubies
Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
Mystical Adventure
PSA Videos
King Piccolo Saga
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai

DBZ:
Dead Zone
Saiyan Saga (the Z-Fighters somehow survive Nappa's onslaught)
World's Strongest
Namek Saga (Freeza doesn't come immediately, Vegeta decides to fight Freeza's army while getting stronger)
Tree of Might
Lord Slug
Freeza Saga (Actual fight with Freeza, Goku unleashes SSJ due to using false one against Slug already, learns instant transmission on Yardrat, but doesn't have full control of SSJ)
Garlic Jr. Saga
History of Trunks + Trunks' Arrival
Cooler's Revenge
First battle against the androids (Goku took the medicine and isn't yet affected by virus, Piccolo fuses with Kami earlier)
Return of Cooler
Super Android 13! (Goku suffers from virus after spirit bomb absorption)
Cell events occur normally
10 day wait for Cell Games (Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, Dragon Ball VRVS, The Real 4D)
Cell Games
Bojack Unbound
Great Saiyaman Saga
Broly Second Coming
Bio Broly
Babidi Saga (Super Buu's appearance is delayed perhaps no Van Zant interference)
Fusion Reborn
Rest of Majin Saga
Wrath of the Dragon
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!

DBS:
Battle of Gods
Resurrection F
U6 Tournament
FighterZ
Goku Black Arc
Super Tenkaichi Budokai
ToP

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