Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

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Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

Post by Totamo » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:30 pm

I have heard that in the latter, he is far more selfish and reckless than in ball.

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Re: Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:01 pm

After his heritage is revealed(retconed), his "saiyan traits" seem to increasingly grow along with his power, leading to monsterously dumb things like giving Cell a Senzu, and currently being relativily chill about multiversal omnicide.

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Re: Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:44 pm

Goku in Dragon Ball (at least as a kid) was rather brash, very immature, and he refused to let Kami help him during his fight with Piccolo because he wanted to win the tournament fair n' square (even though Piccolo clearly doesn't care about the match as killing is against the rules).

Goku in Z is much wiser and more mature (especially during the Cell Games and Boo Saga) but is more merciful thanks to Kami's influence.
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Re: Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

Post by cheddarsword » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:43 pm

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:After his heritage is revealed(retconed), his "saiyan traits" seem to increasingly grow along with his power, leading to monsterously dumb things like giving Cell a Senzu, and currently being relativily chill about multiversal omnicide.
I'm pretty sure you meant genocide there, as only certain universes would be destroyed. In the end there would still be 5 universes. And for reference sake:

omni-
combining form
all; of all things.
"omniscient"
in all ways or places.
"omnicompetent"

gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd/Submit
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

I'd have included the definition for the word omnicide itself but for some reason it seems to indicate the destruction of the entire "human" race, rather than the destruction of everything, which is what you seemed to be implying.

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Re: Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

Post by floofychan333 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:39 pm

He gets even stupider as an adult than a kid and cares about people less.
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Re: Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

Post by SaiyanZ » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:36 am

Yes. He kills with a clear conscience now, has become more Saiyan-like ever since the start of Z and learned more about love, from thinking a bride was something to eat to showing some street wit by pimping Bulma to Old Kai (iirc he even said Chi-Chi's tits were saggier than hers :angel: )
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Re: Did Goku's character change from ball to Z?

Post by Gog » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:42 am

Well, besides the more obvious traits of becoming more selfish, and battle hungry. During the Namek arc Goku developed more heroic traits such as not wanting kill the bad-guys, and even allowing them to leave Namek Scott free. It was most likely done so that he could be distinguished more from the ruthless Vegeta.

And unlike the previous cases where he would let them live just because they would warrant the death of a mentor and the destruction of the Dragon Balls, or because he simply wanted to battle them again. There was simply no reason, and it was incredibly reckless to do so, because he was letting mass murderers off with no repercussions. Heck in Dragon Ball Goku would even kill the bad guys just because they're the bad guys.

Becoming more of a moral beacon in Namek did work well thematically, but it wasn't an organic development for Goku.

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