Everyone tends to forget that Superman isn't the most powerful person on the Justice League. If written competently (i.e. everyone using all of their powers to the fullest and no jobbing), Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash are all more powerful than him. Wonder Woman is comparable.Berserker1921 wrote:Superman is superior to Goku as of now. Superman had fought and defeated/outwitted beings that would put Zeno to shame. Golden frieZa a would not be as big of a threat as we all think. The justice league have travelled across they're multiverse several occasions, different dimensions, timelines, and met God. Goku would be considered to be a novice to them.TheUltimateVegito wrote:I don't wanna turn this into a Superman vs Goku debate but I doubt Superman would lose to Golden Frieza or SSJB Goku, have you seen the crazy feats Superman has displayed? And why would the Justice League be jealous of the adventures Goku had? Haven't the Justice League been on adventures themselves?Steven Bloodriver wrote: Both Superman and Wonder Woman would lose to True Golden Frieza, much less Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Most of the Justice League would be very jealous of someone who has had such adventures as Son Goku.
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People also forget that Dr. Fate, Shazam and Zatanna can defeat Superman since he's vulnerable to magic.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Everyone tends to forget that Superman isn't the most powerful person on the Justice League. If written competently (i.e. everyone using all of their powers to the fullest and no jobbing), Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash are all more powerful than him. Wonder Woman is comparable.Berserker1921 wrote:Superman is superior to Goku as of now. Superman had fought and defeated/outwitted beings that would put Zeno to shame. Golden frieZa a would not be as big of a threat as we all think. The justice league have travelled across they're multiverse several occasions, different dimensions, timelines, and met God. Goku would be considered to be a novice to them.TheUltimateVegito wrote:
I don't wanna turn this into a Superman vs Goku debate but I doubt Superman would lose to Golden Frieza or SSJB Goku, have you seen the crazy feats Superman has displayed? And why would the Justice League be jealous of the adventures Goku had? Haven't the Justice League been on adventures themselves?
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They mostly belonged to the JSA though, not the JLA.8000 Saiyan wrote:People also forget that Dr. Fate, Shazam and Zatanna can defeat Superman since he's vulnerable to magic.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Everyone tends to forget that Superman isn't the most powerful person on the Justice League. If written competently (i.e. everyone using all of their powers to the fullest and no jobbing), Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash are all more powerful than him. Wonder Woman is comparable.Berserker1921 wrote:
Superman is superior to Goku as of now. Superman had fought and defeated/outwitted beings that would put Zeno to shame. Golden frieZa a would not be as big of a threat as we all think. The justice league have travelled across they're multiverse several occasions, different dimensions, timelines, and met God. Goku would be considered to be a novice to them.
But Dr. Fate could get ridiculous sometimes with his level of power.
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Oh I know. I am not saying superman is the most powerful member. Martian Manhunter could turn goku into a vegetable or go into his ear and squeeze his brain. Flash could move so fast and remove his heart. Dr. Fate could have goku' soul seperated from his body sending him somewhere else forever. I only mentioned batman and superman. Because I thought the original post was dealing with current JL. Since most of the people you mentioned aren't currently on the team.Polyphase Avatron wrote:They mostly belonged to the JSA though, not the JLA.8000 Saiyan wrote:People also forget that Dr. Fate, Shazam and Zatanna can defeat Superman since he's vulnerable to magic.Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Everyone tends to forget that Superman isn't the most powerful person on the Justice League. If written competently (i.e. everyone using all of their powers to the fullest and no jobbing), Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash are all more powerful than him. Wonder Woman is comparable.
But Dr. Fate could get ridiculous sometimes with his level of power.
Goku is tremendously powerful. I will give him that. But even he is a small fish in a big pond now. Goku has accomplished lots of cool feats and made friends with his Multiverses head. But that's nothing to what the justice league have encountered. I mean even the current team could do decent in the db multiverse. But as for the original point goku would not do well on the justice league. They would consider him a risk. They would either have to teach him to be better or find a way to send him back to his multiverse. However superman and the league would have problems with gods of destruction. Even Zeno, superman would give him a talking too. Especially of how irresponsible he is.
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Going slightly off-topic. Maybe not the Justice League for reasons stated (that Saiyan blood is going to make him a menace in a universe like that...kind of like how he is in the Super anime right now), but MAYBE Goku would fit a bit better along with the Avengers. They'd have their problems with him. But, then again they kind of have problems with each other. haha They deal with inflated egos all the time.
Though, him being with the Justice League would make for an interesting story. Maybe they can make him change his ways? Maybe? Who knows. Though, I suppose they're more likely to toss him to the Phantom Zone or toss him back home like you guys said.
Though, him being with the Justice League would make for an interesting story. Maybe they can make him change his ways? Maybe? Who knows. Though, I suppose they're more likely to toss him to the Phantom Zone or toss him back home like you guys said.
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The Avengers have had worse team members throughout the years (in terms of motivation and personality), so yeah.ConfusedPhantom wrote:Going slightly off-topic. Maybe not the Justice League for reasons stated (that Saiyan blood is going to make him a menace in a universe like that...kind of like how he is in the Super anime right now), but MAYBE Goku would fit a bit better along with the Avengers. They'd have their problems with him. But, then again they kind of have problems with each other. haha They deal with inflated egos all the time.
Though, him being with the Justice League would make for an interesting story. Maybe they can make him change his ways? Maybe? Who knows. Though, I suppose they're more likely to toss him to the Phantom Zone or toss him back home like you guys said.
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The Avengers would also try to depower Goku or send him back to his own universe the second he risked innocent peoples safety for his fight lust. Neither team would want anything to do with them because outside of his own universe he is dangerous.ConfusedPhantom wrote:Going slightly off-topic. Maybe not the Justice League for reasons stated (that Saiyan blood is going to make him a menace in a universe like that...kind of like how he is in the Super anime right now), but MAYBE Goku would fit a bit better along with the Avengers. They'd have their problems with him. But, then again they kind of have problems with each other. haha They deal with inflated egos all the time.
Though, him being with the Justice League would make for an interesting story. Maybe they can make him change his ways? Maybe? Who knows. Though, I suppose they're more likely to toss him to the Phantom Zone or toss him back home like you guys said.
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I'm not sure about that. Thor and Hercules have done similar things in the past... the worst they get is a good dressing down from the team leader, whoever it happens to be at the time.Gerky wrote:The Avengers would also try to depower Goku or send him back to his own universe the second he risked innocent peoples safety for his fight lust. Neither team would want anything to do with them because outside of his own universe he is dangerous.ConfusedPhantom wrote:Going slightly off-topic. Maybe not the Justice League for reasons stated (that Saiyan blood is going to make him a menace in a universe like that...kind of like how he is in the Super anime right now), but MAYBE Goku would fit a bit better along with the Avengers. They'd have their problems with him. But, then again they kind of have problems with each other. haha They deal with inflated egos all the time.
Though, him being with the Justice League would make for an interesting story. Maybe they can make him change his ways? Maybe? Who knows. Though, I suppose they're more likely to toss him to the Phantom Zone or toss him back home like you guys said.
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Superman doesn't kill unless the opponent is doomsday, and even in that case, superman would try not to kill, considering he has saved the life of doomsday once.ekrolo2 wrote: They're far from helpless, they've got plenty of tech and abilities around to send Goku back to his home universe. If that's out of the question, Superman himself will kill Goku when he does something so idiotically selfish that he'll have no choice but to put him down. Contrary to popular belief, the only one who's actually a whiny cunt about killing people is Batman, everyone else on the League is fine with it to varying degrees, even Superman who can and will kill someone when the situation calls for it.
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He's killed Zod, Darkseid, Brainiac, Cyborg Superman,... When they present too big of a threat. When Goku's action kill billions of people, Supes will be gunning for him.apex_pretador wrote:Superman doesn't kill unless the opponent is doomsday, and even in that case, superman would try not to kill, considering he has saved the life of doomsday once.ekrolo2 wrote: They're far from helpless, they've got plenty of tech and abilities around to send Goku back to his home universe. If that's out of the question, Superman himself will kill Goku when he does something so idiotically selfish that he'll have no choice but to put him down. Contrary to popular belief, the only one who's actually a whiny cunt about killing people is Batman, everyone else on the League is fine with it to varying degrees, even Superman who can and will kill someone when the situation calls for it.
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Hasn't he only killed Zod the once (outside of movies), in the late 80's, as an execution via kryptonite?ekrolo2 wrote:He's killed Zod, Darkseid, Brainiac, Cyborg Superman,... When they present too big of a threat. When Goku's action kill billions of people, Supes will be gunning for him.apex_pretador wrote:Superman doesn't kill unless the opponent is doomsday, and even in that case, superman would try not to kill, considering he has saved the life of doomsday once.ekrolo2 wrote: They're far from helpless, they've got plenty of tech and abilities around to send Goku back to his home universe. If that's out of the question, Superman himself will kill Goku when he does something so idiotically selfish that he'll have no choice but to put him down. Contrary to popular belief, the only one who's actually a whiny cunt about killing people is Batman, everyone else on the League is fine with it to varying degrees, even Superman who can and will kill someone when the situation calls for it.
Thor and Hercules can be arrogant and drag a fight out, but they won't allow a being to reach it's ultimate power because they get off on it/Polyphase Avatron wrote:I'm not sure about that. Thor and Hercules have done similar things in the past... the worst they get is a good dressing down from the team leader, whoever it happens to be at the time.Gerky wrote:The Avengers would also try to depower Goku or send him back to his own universe the second he risked innocent peoples safety for his fight lust. Neither team would want anything to do with them because outside of his own universe he is dangerous.ConfusedPhantom wrote:Going slightly off-topic. Maybe not the Justice League for reasons stated (that Saiyan blood is going to make him a menace in a universe like that...kind of like how he is in the Super anime right now), but MAYBE Goku would fit a bit better along with the Avengers. They'd have their problems with him. But, then again they kind of have problems with each other. haha They deal with inflated egos all the time.
Though, him being with the Justice League would make for an interesting story. Maybe they can make him change his ways? Maybe? Who knows. Though, I suppose they're more likely to toss him to the Phantom Zone or toss him back home like you guys said.
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I don't think Supes would need to kill Goku, he could lobotomize him.ekrolo2 wrote:He's killed Zod, Darkseid, Brainiac, Cyborg Superman,... When they present too big of a threat. When Goku's action kill billions of people, Supes will be gunning for him.apex_pretador wrote:Superman doesn't kill unless the opponent is doomsday, and even in that case, superman would try not to kill, considering he has saved the life of doomsday once.ekrolo2 wrote: They're far from helpless, they've got plenty of tech and abilities around to send Goku back to his home universe. If that's out of the question, Superman himself will kill Goku when he does something so idiotically selfish that he'll have no choice but to put him down. Contrary to popular belief, the only one who's actually a whiny cunt about killing people is Batman, everyone else on the League is fine with it to varying degrees, even Superman who can and will kill someone when the situation calls for it.
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One time Thor fought the Hulk in the middle of NYC and they nearly destroyed the city, and then later when asked why he didn't just use his hammer to send the Hulk to another dimension, he replied along the lines of he was having too much fun brawling with him.Gerky wrote:Thor and Hercules can be arrogant and drag a fight out, but they won't allow a being to reach it's ultimate power because they get off on it/
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Question: which Goku are we talking about? Because while I've seen plenty of posts about how dangerous Goku is for his tendency to let his enemies get stronger or how Batman would need to trick him into thinking his enemies are already at their best, that seems more necessary to deal with Super Goku than Z Goku.
Z Goku refused to fight Majon Vegeta until Babidi took them away from innocents. Z Goku was (briefly) ready to wallop Frieza on Namek before he got to 100%. Z Goku warned Gohan to finish Cell off before he got desperate, and prior to that, was ready to step back into the fight when it turned out Gohan didn't have his father's warrior instinct. Z Goku kept his fights away from people (both against Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga to not harm his friends' dead bodies on the off-chance of finding some other way to revive them and against the Androids). Z Goku was willing to stay dead if it meant the Earth wouldn't have to be in the line of fire.
I feel like he has more "superhero" tendencies than people give him credit for, or at least did prior to Super. Yes, fighting strong opponents is a major driving force but he has shown the ability to keep those instincts in check. And yes, Toei and Funimation may have exacerbated those tendencies but they were already there.
So which Goku?
Z Goku refused to fight Majon Vegeta until Babidi took them away from innocents. Z Goku was (briefly) ready to wallop Frieza on Namek before he got to 100%. Z Goku warned Gohan to finish Cell off before he got desperate, and prior to that, was ready to step back into the fight when it turned out Gohan didn't have his father's warrior instinct. Z Goku kept his fights away from people (both against Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga to not harm his friends' dead bodies on the off-chance of finding some other way to revive them and against the Androids). Z Goku was willing to stay dead if it meant the Earth wouldn't have to be in the line of fire.
I feel like he has more "superhero" tendencies than people give him credit for, or at least did prior to Super. Yes, fighting strong opponents is a major driving force but he has shown the ability to keep those instincts in check. And yes, Toei and Funimation may have exacerbated those tendencies but they were already there.
So which Goku?
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I've actually written a fan fic where Superman hates Gokuu because of his attitude and actions. It makes sense to me that the sort of black-and-white nature of Superman and the generic western superhero would definitely want to incarcerate Son Gokuu for his ideas and actions.
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No you are the probably wrong. The bigger reason is probably the fridge.Lord Beerus wrote:They would kick him out the Justice League the second he let his enemies get more powerful.
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He really isn't,the moment Goku became universal is when he became far superior.It seems you're underestimating Goku while ranking Supes too high .Berserker1921 wrote: Superman is superior to Goku as of now.
Oh really Superman has fought beings capable of casually destroying timelines?As an DC comic reader I would love to hear who this person is considering Superman gets ko'd by far lessSuperman had fought and defeated/outwitted beings that would put Zeno to shame.
Yeah Golden Freeeza stronger than a person who can destroy the entire universe wouldn't be a threat to the league funny the last time someone was a threat to the universe was the Darkseid War Arc which had the league become Gods themselves.Golden frieZa a would not be as big of a threat as we all think
The Justice League has never met God what story arc are you referring to?The justice league have travelled across they're multiverse several occasions, different dimensions, timelines, and met God. Goku would be considered to be a novice to them.
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Goku would probably have himself kicked out of the Justice League not even a year in. And you best believe Batman will find a way to counter Super Saiyan.
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Son Goku doesn't have powers. In the DB universe ki energy is as natural to the body as running, jumping etc. etc. If Goku is alive he can use his ki.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Batman wouldn't kill Goku, but he'd come up with a way to remove or negate his powers, or some other way to deal with him. Batman came up with safeguards for every other member of the League; he'd find some way to take care of Goku. That's what he does.
In regards to the topic; they wouldn't allow him to be part of the team for long. Not only would Goku allow strong enemies to get stronger, but he'd never bother helping against enemies much weaker than himself. He'd just train for years on end till a galaxy destroying tyrant appeared while the JL did all the work.