What is the dumbest DB fan theory you have ever heard?
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I know this only slightly counts but when I first got into the series there was very little information available in the USA. This was right around the time the Saban Dub first started airing, even though my first exposure was through an Asian friend of mine who showed me bootleg fan subs.
Anyway, I only had a couple pictures to go off of and I drew copies of them and I remember writing "Gohan" next to a picture I drew of SSJ3 Goku and Vegetto next to a picture of Buu saga Vegeta.
Also when I first got into it I downloaded horrible quality clips off some website and when I saw Vegeta go SSJ the first time I thought it was happening at a world tournament.
Anyway, I only had a couple pictures to go off of and I drew copies of them and I remember writing "Gohan" next to a picture I drew of SSJ3 Goku and Vegetto next to a picture of Buu saga Vegeta.
Also when I first got into it I downloaded horrible quality clips off some website and when I saw Vegeta go SSJ the first time I thought it was happening at a world tournament.
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Did anyone mention the "MALE SAIYANS CAN GET PREGNANT"? Because it is dumb.
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-Jiren has an evil older brother
-Goku Black is Future Goten and also
-the two bug like enemies from U4 were actually Hirudegarn from movie 13
-Broly was the guy in the DBS teaser
-Funi can't possibly fuckup another DBZ rerelease
I also remember fan theories from back in the Battle of Gods days where the other Universes were parallel realities and that the original Super Saiyajin God was Burdock. Dumb stuff like that.
-Goku Black is Future Goten and also
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-Broly was the guy in the DBS teaser
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I also remember fan theories from back in the Battle of Gods days where the other Universes were parallel realities and that the original Super Saiyajin God was Burdock. Dumb stuff like that.
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These are the dumbest I have heard. Naturally, they're all from r/dbz.
- U6 will be the GT universe
- Future Goten (a non-existent character) is Goku Black
- The Grand Priest is trying to overthrow Zeno
- Broly used assets from Fighterz
- Vegeta is going to learn Instant Transmission when he goes to Yardrat
- U6 will be the GT universe
- Future Goten (a non-existent character) is Goku Black
- The Grand Priest is trying to overthrow Zeno
- Broly used assets from Fighterz
- Vegeta is going to learn Instant Transmission when he goes to Yardrat
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Vegeta is in danger of getting the heart virus by going to Yardrat.
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Some people also believe that GT is one of the erased universes lol.
These people still somehow think universes in DB work the same as in that ridiculous fanmade manga Multiverse, where universe is in fact just a alternate timeline which would be more proper way to call GT than calling it different universe.
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U6 could have been a way to introduce SSJ4, but not really SSJ4, it would just be Super Saiyan from that universe because Saiyans evolved differently.sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 pmSome people also believe that GT is one of the erased universes lol.
These people still somehow think universes in DB work the same as in that ridiculous fanmade manga Multiverse, where universe is in fact just a alternate timeline which would be more proper way to call GT than calling it different universe.
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True. Overall U6 was good opportunity to show different way of saiyan evolution, based on tails and Oozaru instead of being just a copy of U7 in the end with everyone using SSJ. Entire Wrath form of Broly would've worked better if it was exclusive form in U6. Even Broly turned SSJ in the end making this form already irrelevant in his first real fight in life.omegacwa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:45 pmU6 could have been a way to introduce SSJ4, but not really SSJ4, it would just be Super Saiyan from that universe because Saiyans evolved differently.sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 pmSome people also believe that GT is one of the erased universes lol.
These people still somehow think universes in DB work the same as in that ridiculous fanmade manga Multiverse, where universe is in fact just a alternate timeline which would be more proper way to call GT than calling it different universe.
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DBS already did retconed GT and the tuffles were retconned as well Gt is an alternative timeline to the main one and not actually happened in the main timeline (DB,DBZ,and DBS).sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:03 am -Pan married Trunks. This thing was even STATED in one of polish magazines
-Gogeta was SSJ5 because when base Goku and Vegeta fused they become SSJ
-DBS overwrites GT
-Shenron and Omega Shenron have equal power. This thing exists in minds of people who think DB started with Raditz
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The point is there isn't such thing as DB, DBZ and DBS timeline. It's DB, DBZ and GT timeline.Toxin45 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:48 pmDBS already did retconed GT and the tuffles were retconned as well Gt is an alternative timeline to the main one and not actually happened in the main timeline (DB,DBZ,and DBS).sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:03 am -Pan married Trunks. This thing was even STATED in one of polish magazines
-Gogeta was SSJ5 because when base Goku and Vegeta fused they become SSJ
-DBS overwrites GT
-Shenron and Omega Shenron have equal power. This thing exists in minds of people who think DB started with Raditz
In Toriyama's mind, DBS is sequel to his story which is original manga. TOEI trying to make DBS look like Z sequel is different thing.
GT is the only sequel to DB/Z anime. So no, DBS doesn't retcon GT because there was nothing to retcon to begin with. In manga continuity there was nothing past Buu saga (except for 10 year timeskip). If DBS was made to retcon anything, it would only retcon DB Online, not GT, but nobody cares about DBO and counts it as true sequel anyway. DBS existence didn't change anything about GT.
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Dude the manga pretty much overwrites gt at this point the manga has Dragon Ball,Dragon Ball Z,and Dragon Ball super the anime Dragon Ball Dragon Ball z,and gt are simply from an alternative timeline as Xenoverse states.sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:12 pmThe point is there isn't such thing as DB, DBZ and DBS timeline. It's DB, DBZ and GT timeline.Toxin45 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:48 pmDBS already did retconed GT and the tuffles were retconned as well Gt is an alternative timeline to the main one and not actually happened in the main timeline (DB,DBZ,and DBS).sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:03 am -Pan married Trunks. This thing was even STATED in one of polish magazines
-Gogeta was SSJ5 because when base Goku and Vegeta fused they become SSJ
-DBS overwrites GT
-Shenron and Omega Shenron have equal power. This thing exists in minds of people who think DB started with Raditz
In Toriyama's mind, DBS is sequel to his story which is original manga. TOEI trying to make DBS look like Z sequel is different thing.
GT is the only sequel to DB/Z anime. So no, DBS doesn't retcon GT because there was nothing to retcon to begin with. In manga continuity there was nothing past Buu saga (except for 10 year timeskip). If DBS was made to retcon anything, it would only retcon DB Online, not GT, but nobody cares about DBO and counts it as true sequel anyway. DBS existence didn't change anything about GT.
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You didn't get my point. Manga doesn't overwrite GT because there is nothing to overwrite. GT only exists in original anime continuity. And since DBS is sequel to manga it has nothing to do with GT. It can't overwrite something that doesn't even exist.Toxin45 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:14 pmDude the manga pretty much overwrites gt at this point the manga has Dragon Ball,Dragon Ball Z,and Dragon Ball super the anime Dragon Ball Dragon Ball z,and gt are simply from an alternative timeline as Xenoverse states.sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:12 pmThe point is there isn't such thing as DB, DBZ and DBS timeline. It's DB, DBZ and GT timeline.
In Toriyama's mind, DBS is sequel to his story which is original manga. TOEI trying to make DBS look like Z sequel is different thing.
GT is the only sequel to DB/Z anime. So no, DBS doesn't retcon GT because there was nothing to retcon to begin with. In manga continuity there was nothing past Buu saga (except for 10 year timeskip). If DBS was made to retcon anything, it would only retcon DB Online, not GT, but nobody cares about DBO and counts it as true sequel anyway. DBS existence didn't change anything about GT.
If DBS was made exclusively by TOEI as sequel to DB/Z anime, just like GT was, then sure, it would erase GT.
Nothing has changed about GT when DBS was made. It was always anime only sequel and it's still anime only sequel.
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Mind to elaborate more on that?sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:12 pmIf DBS was made to retcon anything, it would only retcon DB Online, not GT,
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As far as i know DBO was not only following manga completely ignoring any fillers but also Toriyama was directly involved in production even providing design for Yardrat race that was never seen outside of anime filler. So DBO was in fact the closest thing we got to direct manga sequel. But since it was just a game no one really ever considered it a part of story. But unlike GT, it was manga sequel and i think Toriyama was even more involved in its production than he was with GT despite never referring to DBO as part of story (unlike GT, partially).Grimlock wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:15 pmMind to elaborate more on that?sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:12 pmIf DBS was made to retcon anything, it would only retcon DB Online, not GT,
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Except now we have the perfect excuse to introduce/retcon SS4:omegacwa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:45 pmU6 could have been a way to introduce SSJ4, but not really SSJ4, it would just be Super Saiyan from that universe because Saiyans evolved differently.sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 pmSome people also believe that GT is one of the erased universes lol.
These people still somehow think universes in DB work the same as in that ridiculous fanmade manga Multiverse, where universe is in fact just a alternate timeline which would be more proper way to call GT than calling it different universe.
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The "Gogeta became SS5" theory is more an example of something I said earlier in the thread: that several of these fan theories aren't "dumb"— just running with limited information. Canonically, Goten and Trunks were and still are incapable of progressing past Super Saiyan 1, and yet Gotenks is capable of reaching Super Saiyan 3. SS4, while weird, still seemed to follow some rules: black hair and red body fur. Gogeta inversed that, which can easily be mistaken as suggesting it's another level of Super Saiyan entirely. In reality, it was just Toei being Toei. But I don't think it's "dumb". If anything, it's probably a good guess as to what was going on. Which is what at least some of the "dumb" theories are: failed guesses on things that have been explained. The dumber ones are the ones that really did make no sense even with what we knew at the time, or were grasping at straws placed a mile away from each other (such as "Gohan's real father is Yamcha"— how? Unless Yamcha or Chi Chi are Saiyans, but that makes no sense, and now you've got yourself Bonafide Idiocy).Toxin45 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:48 pmDBS already did retconed GT and the tuffles were retconned as well Gt is an alternative timeline to the main one and not actually happened in the main timeline (DB,DBZ,and DBS).sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:03 am -Pan married Trunks. This thing was even STATED in one of polish magazines
-Gogeta was SSJ5 because when base Goku and Vegeta fused they become SSJ
-DBS overwrites GT
-Shenron and Omega Shenron have equal power. This thing exists in minds of people who think DB started with Raditz
That's how I deal with these things: if the theory makes for a good explanation of something that's at the time unexplained, it's not really dumb unless the entire thing is dumb (and SS4's execution is indeed quite dumb).
But as for "DBS retconned GT" but "GT is just an anime sequel"— don't forget that there are technically two different versions of Super as well! Manga DBS is the sequel to DB, actually being co-written by Toriyama and Toyotaro. Anime DBS is partially written by Toriyama, but mostly a Toei product. In a series where canon means little and we just have to go by what Toriyama himself has directly written (getting less and less absolute each passing year), Super put GT in limbo but hasn't outright retconned it. It's possible they're going to asspull something to make the End of Z and GT "fit" (such as taking away godly powers or some such rubbish).
And just to drive it home, Toei even tossed in a cameo from GT in Super, one that many people missed.
Remember these little ferret things from episode 77 of Super?
Turns out they're also from GT
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that is a simple easter egg nothing more and besides your theories have holes namely Kibito kai is defused thanks to namkian dragon ball Xenoverse saids that GT is an alternative timeline not the main one. Toriyama stated the 13 movies and gt were alternative timelines.Yuli Ban wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:29 pmThe "Gogeta became SS5" theory is more an example of something I said earlier in the thread: that several of these fan theories aren't "dumb"— just running with limited information. Canonically, Goten and Trunks were and still are incapable of progressing past Super Saiyan 1, and yet Gotenks is capable of reaching Super Saiyan 3. SS4, while weird, still seemed to follow some rules: black hair and red body fur. Gogeta inversed that, which can easily be mistaken as suggesting it's another level of Super Saiyan entirely. In reality, it was just Toei being Toei. But I don't think it's "dumb". If anything, it's probably a good guess as to what was going on. Which is what at least some of the "dumb" theories are: failed guesses on things that have been explained. The dumber ones are the ones that really did make no sense even with what we knew at the time, or were grasping at straws placed a mile away from each other (such as "Gohan's real father is Yamcha"— how? Unless Yamcha or Chi Chi are Saiyans, but that makes no sense, and now you've got yourself Bonafide Idiocy).Toxin45 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:48 pmDBS already did retconed GT and the tuffles were retconned as well Gt is an alternative timeline to the main one and not actually happened in the main timeline (DB,DBZ,and DBS).sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:03 am -Pan married Trunks. This thing was even STATED in one of polish magazines
-Gogeta was SSJ5 because when base Goku and Vegeta fused they become SSJ
-DBS overwrites GT
-Shenron and Omega Shenron have equal power. This thing exists in minds of people who think DB started with Raditz
That's how I deal with these things: if the theory makes for a good explanation of something that's at the time unexplained, it's not really dumb unless the entire thing is dumb (and SS4's execution is indeed quite dumb).
But as for "DBS retconned GT" but "GT is just an anime sequel"— don't forget that there are technically two different versions of Super as well! Manga DBS is the sequel to DB, actually being co-written by Toriyama and Toyotaro. Anime DBS is partially written by Toriyama, but mostly a Toei product. In a series where canon means little and we just have to go by what Toriyama himself has directly written (getting less and less absolute each passing year), Super put GT in limbo but hasn't outright retconned it. It's possible they're going to asspull something to make the End of Z and GT "fit" (such as taking away godly powers or some such rubbish).
And just to drive it home, Toei even tossed in a cameo from GT in Super, one that many people missed.
Remember these little ferret things from episode 77 of Super?
Turns out they're also from GT
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That is correct, but how "Dragon Ball Super would only retcon Dragon Ball Online"? I mean, Dragon Ball Online is the sequel of the manga, whereas Dragon Ball Super is... Well, I don't really know how it fits because that series has two continuities that contradict each other and it is actually a midquel.sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:35 pmAs far as i know DBO was not only following manga completely ignoring any fillers but also Toriyama was directly involved in production even providing design for Yardrat race that was never seen outside of anime filler. So DBO was in fact the closest thing we got to direct manga sequel. But since it was just a game no one really ever considered it a part of story. But unlike GT, it was manga sequel and i think Toriyama was even more involved in its production than he was with GT despite never referring to DBO as part of story (unlike GT, partially).
The excuse "it's just a game" is rather irrelevant, by the way, specially nowadays.