A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Bullza » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:30 pm

Green_Goblin wrote:That's the same case for the video games I've mentioned, all of their "early" (till the Frieza Saga) power levels were based upon Toriyama's given ones and the Daizenshuu given ones and then there was an expension upon.
So that's not the case with Xenoverse then because they haven't expanded upon anything. All the dates from Bardock death to Golden Frieza are dates that are based purely off of official dates that were given. They haven't made up the dates like the games made up the power levels.
But u dismiss them when it's easy/comfortable, right?
No you're confusing that for what you're doing. Beerus having the prophecy for 39 years is ok and that "fits" but Pan being 4 years old? Nah we'll just ignore that entirely because it doesn't.
So you believe that Vegeta kept his promise to take Trunks to the amusement park for 4 years till Bulma innitiated a vacation prior to her birthday (the one Beerus attended)?
It doesn't really matter what I believe. That is what happened.
Many things that were established as "absolute dates" like Goku's birth date (Age 737) and Planet Vegeta's destruction in Age 737 were shifted into other dates (Ages 734 and Age 739 respectively).
No it didn't. It said right in the middle of the screen in Broly that Goku landed on Earth in Age 737. It never shifted, it was always Age 737.

The official dates are fine. Battle of God was 778, Gohan and Video have finished school. Resurrection F was 779. Pan was born in 779 which was her given birth date, it fits with her being 4 in EoZ.

After the Cell Games, Trunks returned to 785. He told Goku it had been over 10 years since he'd seen him last, which is why it's 796 and then 17 years back in time is 779.

The ToP was one year later so 780 which fits Bra's given birth date.

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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Grimlock » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:59 pm

Green_Goblin wrote:Many things that were established as "absolute dates" like Goku's birth date (Age 737) and Planet Vegeta's destruction in Age 737 were shifted into other dates (Ages 734 and Age 739 respectively).
Goku wasn't born in AGE 734, that would make him 5 years old in Dragon Ball Minus (instead of around 3) as well as making him 12 by AGE 746 (instead of being 12 in AGE 749). Even with new stuff, his year of birth can still be AGE 737, or if you want to take Gine's words literally, he was born in AGE 736.
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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Green_Goblin » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:03 pm

Bullza wrote:
Green_Goblin wrote:That's the same case for the video games I've mentioned, all of their "early" (till the Frieza Saga) power levels were based upon Toriyama's given ones and the Daizenshuu given ones and then there was an expension upon.
So that's not the case with Xenoverse then because they haven't expanded upon anything. All the dates from Bardock death to Golden Frieza are dates that are based purely off of official dates that were given. They haven't made up the dates like the games made up the power levels.
That's EXACTLY the case with Xenoverse, it's just numbers being placed there based upon the promotional material for Battle of Gods which claimed it had been 4 years since Goku defeated Kid Buu. ALL we had from the original manga and anime is time given to us about how much it had been since we last seen our heroes in action, and in order to realize the exact date was to add those given time gaps/skips upon the Daizenshuu's claim of Goku's birth date which was Age 737 till 2014. :wave:
These video games tried to expend on the power levels and make the franchise clearer on that section.
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Green_Goblin wrote:But u dismiss them when it's easy/comfortable, right?
No you're confusing that for what you're doing. Beerus having the prophecy for 39 years is ok and that "fits" but Pan being 4 years old? Nah we'll just ignore that entirely because it doesn't.
The two letters after M. That is not the way of us, non-DB Wikia folks. FTR Beerus can go to sleep whenever he'd like, it doesn't have to be Age 739 so it'd be Age 778 and have Pan at Age 779, as I've just proven earlier, that is just u fixing dates that makes sense to (and favored by) u.
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Green_Goblin wrote:So you believe that Vegeta kept his promise to take Trunks to the amusement park for 4 years till Bulma innitiated a vacation prior to her birthday (the one Beerus attended)?
It doesn't really matter what I believe. That is what happened.
As I've said: Bad writings leads to bad consequences.
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Green_Goblin wrote:Many things that were established as "absolute dates" like Goku's birth date (Age 737) and Planet Vegeta's destruction in Age 737 were shifted into other dates (Ages 734 and Age 739 respectively).
No it didn't. It said right in the middle of the screen in Broly that Goku landed on Earth in Age 737. It never shifted, it was always Age 737.

The official dates are fine. Battle of God was 778, Gohan and Video have finished school. Resurrection F was 779. Pan was born in 779 which was her given birth date, it fits with her being 4 in EoZ.

After the Cell Games, Trunks returned to 785. He told Goku it had been over 10 years since he'd seen him last, which is why it's 796 and then 17 years back in time is 779.

The ToP was one year later so 780 which fits Bra's given birth date.
Future Trunks returned to Age 784. That's for starters. And I recommend u will read "Dragon Ball Minus" or watch "Dragon Ball Super: Broly" - since Goku's birth according to it was either Age 734 (Minus) or Age 736 (in "Broly"), as in the former he was sent to Earth in Age 737 while in the latter he was sent to Earth in Age 739 - IN BOTH as a 3 years old toddler. :wave:
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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Green_Goblin » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:04 pm

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Green_Goblin wrote:Many things that were established as "absolute dates" like Goku's birth date (Age 737) and Planet Vegeta's destruction in Age 737 were shifted into other dates (Ages 734 and Age 739 respectively).
Goku wasn't born in AGE 734, that would make him 5 years old in Dragon Ball Minus (instead of around 3) as well as making him 12 by AGE 746 (instead of being 12 in AGE 749). Even with new stuff, his year of birth can still be AGE 737, or if you want to take Gine's words literally, he was born in AGE 736.
In Dragon Ball Minus, the current time is Age 737 and Goku is already a 3 years old toddler. It means that he was born in Age 734.

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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Grimlock » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:07 pm

Green_Goblin wrote:In Dragon Ball Minus, the current time is Age 737 and Goku is already a 3 years old toddler. It means that he was born in Age 734.
No, Dragon Ball Minus takes place in AGE 739, its events occur right before the events of the Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman manga, established to take place ten years prior to the beginning of Dragon Ball.
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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Bullza » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:24 pm

Green_Goblin wrote:That's EXACTLY the case with Xenoverse, it's just numbers being placed there based upon the promotional material for Battle of Gods which claimed it had been 4 years since Goku defeated Kid Buu.
And all the dates given for all the other Sagas, Saiyan, Frieza, Cell, Buu are all based on official guides. They haven't made anything up. None of the dates are their own invention. These are dates that people would have have come up with even without Xenoverse.

Before that game even came out we knew that Resurrection F was in Age 779 because Pan was in it.
I've just proven earlier, that is just u fixing dates that makes sense to (and favored by) u.
I don't favour anything. I'm giving you the dates that are official. Not trying to work around things, these are the official dates whether people like them or not, inconsistencies or not, they are the dates.
Future Trunks returned to Age 784. That's for starters.
No Trunks came from 784 the first time. He then went back to his time and then returned again from 785 to help the Z Fighters deal with the Androids. Then he went back again to 785.

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"Now that the time machine has stored enough energy for another round trip, Trunks departs for Age 767 to help Goku and co. confront the androids. After returning to his own timeline, Trunks manages to defeat the androids there on his own in some way."

Then over 10 years passed for Trunks making it 796. He went back 17 years in time to 779.
And I recommend u will read "Dragon Ball Minus" or watch "Dragon Ball Super: Broly" - since Goku's birth according to it was either Age 734 (Minus) or Age 736 (in "Broly"), as in the former he was sent to Earth in Age 737 while in the latter he was sent to Earth in Age 739 - IN BOTH as a 3 years old toddler.
None of this is true. It showed Goku land on Earth in 737 it said that very plainly on the screen. It never mentioned 739 at all. All official dates have said that Planet Vegeta was destroyed in 737 and Goku was born in 737.

Nothing was ever said about 736 or 739. He had been in the incubation pod for 3 years but he was "born" in 737 that was said on screen. Goku was never born in any other year but 737.

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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Green_Goblin » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:59 pm

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Green_Goblin wrote:Future Trunks returned to Age 784. That's for starters.
No Trunks came from 784 the first time. He then went back to his time and then returned again from 785 to help the Z Fighters deal with the Androids. Then he went back again to 785.

viewtopic.php?t=19669

"Now that the time machine has stored enough energy for another round trip, Trunks departs for Age 767 to help Goku and co. confront the androids. After returning to his own timeline, Trunks manages to defeat the androids there on his own in some way."

Then over 10 years passed for Trunks making it 796. He went back 17 years in time to 779.
So I'm suppose to trust a fan's post (even if that's Herms) and not the official statement by Future Trunks in Super of the fact that the time machine can't travel back to any given time by the user's will but only to the time length that had passed since it had been in a given timeline to the exact time that had passed in another timeline? If it was 3 years of training since Future Trunks first arrived to stop Frieza and King Cold (Age 764 + 17 = Age 781) then it was Age 784 that he had "sailed" back from to the Androids Saga.

As you phrased it yourself: It is what it is.
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Green_Goblin wrote:And I recommend u will read "Dragon Ball Minus" or watch "Dragon Ball Super: Broly" - since Goku's birth according to it was either Age 734 (Minus) or Age 736 (in "Broly"), as in the former he was sent to Earth in Age 737 while in the latter he was sent to Earth in Age 739 - IN BOTH as a 3 years old toddler.
None of this is true. It showed Goku land on Earth in 737 it said that very plainly on the screen. It never mentioned 739 at all. All official dates have said that Planet Vegeta was destroyed in 737 and Goku was born in 737.

Nothing was ever said about 736 or 739. He had been in the incubation pod for 3 years but he was "born" in 737 that was said on screen. Goku was never born in any other year but 737.
So you admit that he was OUT OF Gine's womb in Age 734? It means he was born by then. Look at how u claim I'm wrong in the first paragraph only to agree with me in the second.

The numbers on the Broly movie scene show that Goku allegedly (due to the other claim by Toriyama in the Jaco manga it was Age 739) arrived to Earth on Age 737, which dismisses your claim that "Beerus' sleep of 39 years + Age 737 = Age 778". If anything then it's Age 737 + 39 years of Beerus' slumber = Age 776.

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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Bullza » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:46 am

Green_Goblin wrote:If it was 3 years of training since Future Trunks first arrived to stop Frieza and King Cold (Age 764 + 17 = Age 781) then it was Age 784 that he had "sailed" back from to the Androids Saga.
No Trunks came from 20 years in the future. That is what he told Goku. So he came from Age 784 the first time. So going by your own comments he came back the second time and then returned to Age 787. Then over 10 years would be at least Age 797 and 17 years back would be Age 780.

Yet it's still Age 779 regardless. Either way no matter how you look at it, it is not the date that you're trying to get across.
So you admit that he was OUT OF Gine's womb in Age 734? It means he was born by then.
No I don't admit that. In the manga they said Goku had been in the incubation pod for 3 years. That wasn't said in the movie but apparently that is not what is counted as a birth year. They are "born" upon leaving the pod which is why Goku was born in Age 737 and not Age 734.

It's why he's still able to be 12 years old at the 21st Tournament in Age 750. A human is counted as being born while still in his or her mother's belly and a Saiyan does not seem to be born while still in the pod. That even fits with Vegeta being in the pod 5 years prior because he was born in Age 732.
If anything then it's Age 737 + 39 years of Beerus' slumber = Age 776.
And yet we know that it isn't Age 776 because it's officially Age 778. So that is likely an inconsistency which wouldn't be surprising. Broly began by saying that events were 41 years ago in Age 732 which would make the current events Age 773 an entire year before the Majin Buu Saga.

So 39 years is either wrong or Beerus went to sleep two years after Vegeta was destroyed.

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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Green_Goblin » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:22 am

Bullza wrote:
Green_Goblin wrote:If it was 3 years of training since Future Trunks first arrived to stop Frieza and King Cold (Age 764 + 17 = Age 781) then it was Age 784 that he had "sailed" back from to the Androids Saga.
No Trunks came from 20 years in the future. That is what he told Goku. So he came from Age 784 the first time. So going by your own comments he came back the second time and then returned to Age 787. Then over 10 years would be at least Age 797 and 17 years back would be Age 780.

Yet it's still Age 779 regardless. Either way no matter how you look at it, it is not the date that you're trying to get across.
Okey, so I've remembered the 17 years benchmark Future Trunks mentioned upon meeting Goku, not that it was "20 years".
It's stated that the Z-Fighters died on Age 767 and that Future Gohan lived 13 years past that, then he adds that Future Gohan had died 4 years prior him meeting Goku in his alternate Future Timeline = Age 780 (Age 767 + 13 more years) + 4 = Age 784 BY THE TIME Future Trunks travelled back in time to warn Goku.
It's all in the Funimation dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIPsb9Wr7Bc

Add 3 more years up to the Androids & Cell Conflict, and we're at Age 787 in his timeline.

Then when he returns in Super, it's possible that it had been 12 years past his farewell in the Cell Games' aftermath: 12 + Age 767 = Age 779; But that's also plausible that it had been Age 777 IF the Battle of Gods Arc took place in Age 776 (by adding the 39 years of Beerus' slumber to Goku's ORIGINAL birth date in Age 737) and that the Resurrection 'F' Arc, Universe 6/Champa Arc and this arc ALL took place 1 year afterwards.
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Green_Goblin wrote:So you admit that he was OUT OF Gine's womb in Age 734? It means he was born by then.
No I don't admit that. In the manga they said Goku had been in the incubation pod for 3 years. That wasn't said in the movie but apparently that is not what is counted as a birth year. They are "born" upon leaving the pod which is why Goku was born in Age 737 and not Age 734.

It's why he's still able to be 12 years old at the 21st Tournament in Age 750. A human is counted as being born while still in his or her mother's belly and a Saiyan does not seem to be born while still in the pod. That even fits with Vegeta being in the pod 5 years prior because he was born in Age 732.
Bad writing leads to plot holes. If Goku was 3 years outside his mother's womb and in a nursing capsule til Age 737, don't u think he was born in Age 734? If he was born and nursed in the same year THEN AND ONLY THEN the rest of what u have typed could happen with no problems. If Vegeta and Broly were allegedly also nursed for a few years, then their birth dates are off as well.
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Green_Goblin wrote:If anything then it's Age 737 + 39 years of Beerus' slumber = Age 776.
And yet we know that it isn't Age 776 because it's officially Age 778. So that is likely an inconsistency which wouldn't be surprising. Broly began by saying that events were 41 years ago in Age 732 which would make the current events Age 773 an entire year before the Majin Buu Saga.

So 39 years is either wrong or Beerus went to sleep two years after Vegeta was destroyed.
I am going to repeat myself: bad writing leads to plot holes. But it is what it is, take it or leave it. I just hope they'll raise the level of the product we are consuming, cause if not - many and me included will drop off.

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Re: A brief timeline for making the End of Z clearer with all of Super's events

Post by Bullza » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:32 pm

Green_Goblin wrote:[Bad writing leads to plot holes. If Goku was 3 years outside his mother's womb and in a nursing capsule til Age 737, don't u think he was born in Age 734? If he was born and nursed in the same year THEN AND ONLY THEN the rest of what u have typed could happen with no problems. If Vegeta and Broly were allegedly also nursed for a few years, then their birth dates are off as well.
Well like I said, I think it's possible he came out the womb in Age 734 but they might only be counting a Saiyans birthdate from the date they leave the incubation pod. In which case they can get away with Goku still being "born" in Age 737 and Vegeta in age 732.

There's a lot different takes on the timeline. Jaco was supposed to be 10 years years before Dragon Ball so Planet Vegeta would have been destroyed in Age 739. The 39 year sleep Beerus had would put it in Age 778.

But now they've gone back to it happening in Age 737 which it originally was. You can't work these things out off the top of your head because you can come to different answers.

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