Hugo Boss wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:38 pm
PFM18 wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:44 pm
It wasn't the same verbatim at all. In BoG Beerus stressed that Goku had just "made that power his own" clearly referring to the level of power and not the type of ki itself. In the promotional material it is described as "the power of a God without changing form." This clearly referencing the fact that prior to this point it was impossible to use God Ki, "without changing form", considering that SSG was required to utilize God Ki before.
Again, it’s talking about “power”. You are the one saying that power means two different things in those events.
You do realize that the words "ki" and "power" are usually interchangeable right? As in, a scouter's "power level" is simply the ki reading at that particular time. The phrases "highest ki" and "most powerful" are used as synonyms as one another all the time.
And again, the same verbatim was NOT used in both cases. in Beerus's case, he repeatedly emphasized that Goku had simply "made that power his own" which is completely different.
You'll have to show this promotional material then, because none of the pamphlets or anything else promotional wise that I can remember from Revival of F ever called it that. "Saiyan Beyond God" was never used until Heroes as far as I can tell.
I'll have to find it, I'll get back to you on that eventually.
That's what I mean though. If Goku had access to godly ki in his base form, and was using that to fight against Freeza, to those that aren't able to sense godly ki, it would seem to them like Goku isn't putting out as much ki as Freeza is, but somehow is fighting evenly with him. If Freeza were a 10, and Goku was using 50% godly ki, to the likes of Gohan and the others he'd be emitting ki half as strong as Freeza was, yet was equal to him, which seems like it'd warrant a mention
They wouldn't be able to sense Goku at all, and that concept wouldn't necessarily be foreign to them because of what happened with Super Saiyan God in the first place. When Goku was fighting Beerus as a SSG, nobody was worried that he wasn't putting out very much ki. Like I said, at worst, this is misleading in the movie, but EVERYTHING surrounding it corroborates the premise like I have already explained.
Grand Marshall 1 wrote:
However, Goku was able to counter while in "Base". If God ki absorbtion was a thing ONLY in the movie, then why did Beerus mention the SSJG merging with Goku's power in the respective arc?
All I'm saying is the use of God Ki in Base form is exclusive to the RoF movie. That doesn't really change anything about what happened in BoG. As Beerus explained, Goku's body had learned from the experience of having that power, it adapted to it, made it his own, and merged it into himself. In other words, he just got a big power-up because he's a fighting genius. It's that simple. Once he dropped out of SSG, he was using normal ki again, and everybody could sense him again. He was using normal ki, unlike in Base in the RoF movie.
The only difference is that in the movie continuity, Goku and Vegeta learned how to harness God Ki in their time training with Whis in their Base form, and so turning SSJ would result in SSB. In the anime, Goku and Vegeta just got stronger in their training with Whis, and learned how to harness God Ki to use their God forms of SSG and SSB. And so, they were able to use their normal SSJ forms, they had the same Base form, and they had SSB by using the combination of SSJ and God Ki. Where as in the movie, they just had Saiyan Beyond God and Super Saiyan Blue. All of this is a result of the discrepancy of Goku and Vegeta learning how to use God Ki in their Base form when they trained with Whis.
I assure you that even after the training with Whis, Goku nor Vegeta would be able to match a trained 50% Final Freeza in Base that easily. Not to mention that Goku and Vegeta underwent the same training with Whis in the movie, with the anime simply showing us more of what they did while being there.
You assure me that based on what? What is preventing Goku and Vegeta's normal Base forms from becoming strong enough to fight Freeza in their Base form? Goku had adapted to SSG in such a way that his SSJ was stated to have surpassed his SSG form from moments prior. Obviously, his Base form must have gotten pretty damn strong if his SSJ was THAT strong. (Because they scale with each other) Vegeta matched that power by training with Whis for 6 months first. Then, they both train with Whis together for another 6 months.