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Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by ahill1 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:48 am

When Vegeta ordered to ressurect the Earth's population, Goku thought he was thinking in wishing Gotenks and Gohan to fight against Kid Boo. Could the and suggest one simple warrior wasn't enough?

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Kaboom » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:06 am

I don't think there was any such deep meaning. Just that Goku thought that's what Vegeta wanted to do, and presumably that it'd be a good idea.
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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by ahill1 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:17 am

Kaboom wrote:I don't think there was any such deep meaning. Just that Goku thought that's what Vegeta wanted to do, and presumably that it'd be a good idea.
But why say Gotenks and Gohan, rather than Gotenks or Gohan? The "and" might lend credence to the idea that just one of them wouldn't be enough.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by PFM18 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:58 am

That sequence exists for plot convenience purposes. It would be rather boring and anti-climactic if Gotenks and/or Gohan showed up and pounded Buu's face in.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:39 pm

ahill1 wrote:When Vegeta ordered to ressurect the Earth's population, Goku thought he was thinking in wishing Gotenks and Gohan to fight against Kid Boo. Could the and suggest one simple warrior wasn't enough?
If the two Mentally-Handicapped Morons of Son Goku and Vegeta (Angel) did not crush the 2 pairs of Potara Earrings given to them by the last two Supreme Kais in existence at the time of the Majin Buu Saga of the Dragon Ball Z series, Vegito, in just his base form alone and using even less power than he had used against Buuhan, would have made such a short work out of Kid Buu (Base Form) by making him feel like such a little bitch, that Uub would probably not be born as early as in canon. Also, if Son Gohan and Gotenks had been sent by Kibito Shin to go and fight Kid Buu (Base Form), a certain pair of immature idiots directly related to Son Goku would doom the Universe as a whole by letting themselves slip-up and be absorbed by the Majin.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by ahill1 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:14 am

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ahill1 wrote:When Vegeta ordered to ressurect the Earth's population, Goku thought he was thinking in wishing Gotenks and Gohan to fight against Kid Boo. Could the and suggest one simple warrior wasn't enough?
If the two Mentally-Handicapped Morons of Son Goku and Vegeta (Angel) did not crush the 2 pairs of Potara Earrings given to them by the last two Supreme Kais in existence at the time of the Majin Buu Saga of the Dragon Ball Z series, Vegito, in just his base form alone and using even less power than he had used against Buuhan, would have made such a short work out of Kid Buu (Base Form) by making him feel like such a little bitch, that Uub would probably not be born as early as in canon. Also, if Son Gohan and Gotenks had been sent by Kibito Shin to go and fight Kid Buu (Base Form), a certain pair of immature idiots directly related to Son Goku would doom the Universe as a whole by letting themselves slip-up and be absorbed by the Majin.
Dunno... I've never found the "there's a chance one of them will screw up and be absorbed" a satisfactory counter. Wouldn't Gotenks and Gohan, having been tricked by this same trick before, be aware of such now?

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by TobyS » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:17 am

There's no reason not to bring both of them.

They are together and if the wish is worded right they can all be brought along with one wish.

Gotenks might fuck up and get injured and it's another person to deflect any planet destroying attacks.

There's no reason to assume they'd need both or all 4 to beat Buu.

If Buu was strong enough to fight gohan let alone gohan and gotenks he'd slaughter goku and vegeta in an instant
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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:04 am

ahill1 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
ahill1 wrote:When Vegeta ordered to ressurect the Earth's population, Goku thought he was thinking in wishing Gotenks and Gohan to fight against Kid Boo. Could the and suggest one simple warrior wasn't enough?
If the two Mentally-Handicapped Morons of Son Goku and Vegeta (Angel) did not crush the 2 pairs of Potara Earrings given to them by the last two Supreme Kais in existence at the time of the Majin Buu Saga of the Dragon Ball Z series, Vegito, in just his base form alone and using even less power than he had used against Buuhan, would have made such a short work out of Kid Buu (Base Form) by making him feel like such a little bitch, that Uub would probably not be born as early as in canon. Also, if Son Gohan and Gotenks had been sent by Kibito Shin to go and fight Kid Buu (Base Form), a certain pair of immature idiots directly related to Son Goku would doom the Universe as a whole by letting themselves slip-up and be absorbed by the Majin.
Dunno... I've never found the "there's a chance one of them will screw up and be absorbed" a satisfactory counter. Wouldn't Gotenks and Gohan, having been tricked by this same trick before, be aware of such now?
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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:33 am

It may be like Cell's statement on the Z Fighters vs Cell Jrs, with the term Vegeta uses in the original dialogue being translatable as either "And" or "Or". You'd have to check this out in the Japanese Anime or with a translation to be sure, though.
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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by ahill1 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:19 am

@Steven Bloodriver@

The Super Boo instace wasn't really a mistake Gohan committed due to arrogance. Super Boo blew himself up (which Gohan couldn't have done anything about but run from the place) and then absorbed Gotenks, which Gohan didn't know/think about. Gohan lost not because he was too arrogant and didn't finish Super Boo when he could... But because Super Boo came up with a strategy that Gohan didn't think of and therefore didn't intercept.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Desassina » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:21 am

Let me start by saying that this is an extremely pedantic topic to discuss. It all comes down to the interpretation in the back of people's mind being power or their performance against Boo when it's something else. Look at the quote again: "you'll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so that they can fight". The condition is that both need to be brought back to life so that either one or the other and the two of them can fight. Bring only one of them and it's one condition out of two from a total of three that checks out. Bring the two of them and they're all possible. Goku thought that they were performant by guessing at Vegeta's plan. Just because it wasn't what Vegeta had in mind doesn't mean that Goku was wrong. Is it okay now?

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:37 am

Goku might have thought it was worth a shot to bring them, but Vegeta probably already realized the genkidama was the only way to accomplish their mission, since he was the one that was analizing all their fights up until then.

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Post by Tsufuru » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:50 pm

if buu needs both gohan and gotenks to deal with him than he would have one shotted ssj3 goku and vegeta.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Rubens » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:17 am

I guess there was also the risk of Boo absorbing one of them in case they decided to gang up on him. That would easily turn the tide of the battle in Boo's favor.
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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by PFM18 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:53 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:37 am
Goku might have thought it was worth a shot to bring them, but Vegeta probably already realized the genkidama was the only way to accomplish their mission, since he was the one that was analizing all their fights up until then.
Why wouldn't Gohan or Gotenks curbstomping him be a viable solution to the problem? Genki Damas are not the only way to vaporize somebody completely.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 am

PFM18 wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:53 pm
Hugo Boss wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:37 am
Goku might have thought it was worth a shot to bring them, but Vegeta probably already realized the genkidama was the only way to accomplish their mission, since he was the one that was analizing all their fights up until then.
Why wouldn't Gohan or Gotenks curbstomping him be a viable solution to the problem? Genki Damas are not the only way to vaporize somebody completely.
They wouldn’t be able to, that’s why it was said that the genkidama’s failure would be their end.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

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Hugo Boss wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 am
PFM18 wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:53 pm
Hugo Boss wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:37 am
Goku might have thought it was worth a shot to bring them, but Vegeta probably already realized the genkidama was the only way to accomplish their mission, since he was the one that was analizing all their fights up until then.
Why wouldn't Gohan or Gotenks curbstomping him be a viable solution to the problem? Genki Damas are not the only way to vaporize somebody completely.
They wouldn’t be able to, that’s why it was said that the genkidama’s failure would be their end.
Okay, but why not? You still haven't answered the question. Gohan and Gotenks are both dramatically stronger than Buu and Goku.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:29 am

PFM18 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:24 am
Hugo Boss wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 am
PFM18 wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:53 pm

Why wouldn't Gohan or Gotenks curbstomping him be a viable solution to the problem? Genki Damas are not the only way to vaporize somebody completely.
They wouldn’t be able to, that’s why it was said that the genkidama’s failure would be their end.
Okay, but why not? You still haven't answered the question. Gohan and Gotenks are both dramatically stronger than Buu and Goku.
The point of that solution is that they weren't strong enough to defeat Boo.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Darkprince410 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:30 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 am
They wouldn’t be able to, that’s why it was said that the genkidama’s failure would be their end.
The Genki Dama failing could be their end and Buu still be weaker than either of them. After all, it'd simply take Buu teleporting back to Earth and blowing it back up again instantly for Gohan and Gotenks to be once again out of the picture. If Pure Buu is weaker than Evil Buu, then either of the two would be more than a match for him.

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Re: Goku saying Vegeta wants to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:12 am

Darkprince410 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:30 pm
Hugo Boss wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 am
They wouldn’t be able to, that’s why it was said that the genkidama’s failure would be their end.
The Genki Dama failing could be their end and Buu still be weaker than either of them. After all, it'd simply take Buu teleporting back to Earth and blowing it back up again instantly for Gohan and Gotenks to be once again out of the picture. If Pure Buu is weaker than Evil Buu, then either of the two would be more than a match for him.
This doesn’t make sense. Their end means there would be none to stop Boo. Unless Beerus somehow awakened to do the job.

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