Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

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Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Mon May 13, 2019 7:15 am

It’s more than stated that SSJ Trunks’s grade states surpassed Cell with a sacrifice of speed. Did Cell not power up until he fought SSJ2 Gohan? Was Cell sticking to this same level when he fought Goku?
Would you say SSJ Trunks grade 3 surpasses post ROSAT SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan?

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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by Cold Skin » Mon May 13, 2019 1:02 pm

^ I don't think so.
Trunks seems to be as shocked as everyone else when seeing Goku's power, the guys even think he's gonna win for sure, and then Cell powers up to the same level that seemed to represent new heights for them.

This might not be a 100% confirmation, but it seems to imply that they've never seen the level of power that Goku and Cell display at that moment, no matter the form.

You could argue that Trunks might be shocked that Goku has this much power in a regular Super Saiyan form, and that it doesn't mean it's superior to Grade 3 but that he's just shocked by a high power as a simple Super Saiyan. But in that case, I think he would comment on it, like "how can he have this much power as a Super Saiyan?".

The fact that he doesn't specify anything like that makes me think he's just amazed by the sheer power level itself because it is unprecedented in any shape or form at this point. That's what I think.

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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon May 13, 2019 3:37 pm

Krillin sensed the full-extent of Grade 3 Trunks' power as he fought Cell.

He later said this about Goku:

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Since Cell proved to be superior to Goku, it'll look something like this:

Powered-up Cell>=Full-Power Super Saiyan Gohan>Full-Power Super Saiyan Goku>Grade 3 Trunks>>>Suppressed Cell
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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by ahill1 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:02 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:37 pm
Krillin sensed the full-extent of Grade 3 Trunks' power as he fought Cell.

He later said this about Goku:

Image

Since Cell proved to be superior to Goku, it'll look something like this:

Powered-up Cell>=Full-Power Super Saiyan Gohan>Full-Power Super Saiyan Goku>Grade 3 Trunks>>>Suppressed Cell
If Goku FPSSJ is a 100, how high would you scale Gohan FPSSJ?

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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by p-hyvo » Tue May 14, 2019 3:22 am

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 7:15 am
It’s more than stated that SSJ Trunks’s grade states surpassed Cell with a sacrifice of speed. Did Cell not power up until he fought SSJ2 Gohan? Was Cell sticking to this same level when he fought Goku?
Would you say SSJ Trunks grade 3 surpasses post ROSAT SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan?
No.
Cell vs trunks <cell vs Goku<cell vs Gohan

Ssj Goku at 50% was more powerful than grade 3 trunks since his power shook everyone and it was only about half his power. Cell wasn't fp against Goku either, he goes fp just against Gohan to make him angry and see his power.

To answer the last question :
No, ssj Gohan>ssj Goku >ssj Goku 50%>Ssj grade 3 trunks against cell

Btw cell games trunks > post rosat trunks, so maybe cell games g3 trunks >ssj Goku
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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by p-hyvo » Tue May 14, 2019 3:23 am

ahill1 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 4:02 pm
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:37 pm
Krillin sensed the full-extent of Grade 3 Trunks' power as he fought Cell.

He later said this about Goku:

Image

Since Cell proved to be superior to Goku, it'll look something like this:

Powered-up Cell>=Full-Power Super Saiyan Gohan>Full-Power Super Saiyan Goku>Grade 3 Trunks>>>Suppressed Cell
If Goku FPSSJ is a 100, how high would you scale Gohan FPSSJ?
If Goku is 100, Gohan is 120 or 125
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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by ahill1 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:04 pm

I agree, 125 seems a fitting placement.

On topic, it's also worth noting that Vegeta was still confident in being the one to finish Cell, as he said so himself when Goku asked whether it was ok for him to fight first. Since the same Vegeta was completely flabbergasted by Goku and Cell's powers, it stands to reason that Cell did reveal more of his powers when facing Goku.

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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by p-hyvo » Wed May 15, 2019 1:46 am

ahill1 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 11:04 pm
I agree, 125 seems a fitting placement.

On topic, it's also worth noting that Vegeta was still confident in being the one to finish Cell, as he said so himself when Goku asked whether it was ok for him to fight first. Since the same Vegeta was completely flabbergasted by Goku and Cell's powers, it stands to reason that Cell did reveal more of his powers when facing Goku.
Being precise, vegeta sensed half of the power to Goku and even less from Gohan, and after a second time inside rosat he was confident to be the only one to beat cell. Let's say

Gohan ssj > Goku ssj>>vegeta ssj >trunks ssj>piccolo>goku 50%>Gohan suppressed

Numerically

Gohan 120
Goku 100
Vegeta 80
trunks 77
Piccolo 70
Goku 50% 50
Gohan suppressed 40(?)
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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by Hugo Boss » Wed May 15, 2019 7:30 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:37 pm
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Nice found. Certainly, it could mean that was the highest battle power Krillin ever felt. Funny thing, Gohan doesn’t seem to agree.

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Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Post by Desassina » Wed May 15, 2019 8:59 am

Goku's full power didn't go past SSJ.
Gohan's full power was Super Saiyan 2.
There's no reason for him to have capped.
His fight versus Cell wasn't better than Goku's.
Cell went all out in at least speed to dominate him.
His power level was the same as when he fought Goku.
Trunks fell significantly behind and improved with only SSJ.
The grades were abandoned at the previous level they were used.

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