What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

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What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:46 am

Besides Cell somehow regenerating with his head and the clump in it destroyed?
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by shadowfox87 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:26 am

There's a difference between plot holes and biggest mysteries. Cell regenerating his head despite saying his core is located at his head would be a contradiction, but not a mystery. Cell's head was also seemingly shown vaporized by Gohan's first kamehameha so it's not a stretch to think that his core survived Goku's kamehameha and re-attached to the bottom half of his body.

1. What really happened to Universe 7's Sadala?
We've wanted to know the answer to this question ever since Vegeta confirmed that the Saiyans were originally from Sadala, the planet before they moved to Planet Plant. It was a mystery for a long time where the Saiyans actually came from. They landed in a spaceship. Planet Sadala seemingly exploded due to a civil war between Saiyans. What caused this war and what were they fighting about? Was Yamoshi really the original super saiyan or was it somebody else? Vegeta said that the last Super Saiyan appeared 1000 years ago and the Daizenshuu 7 says 238 Years Before Age. Then again, in the manga, Cabba says the same line showing that even Universe 6's Sadala had the same legend of a Super Saiyan appearing every 1000 years. We saw an anime filler scene where the Original Super Saiyan self-destructed. Cabba goes on to say the same thing will happen to Kale if she doesn't control herself. Toriyama said in the interview that Yamoshi turned into a Super Saiyan for the first time, but not that he was the first Super Saiyan in history. Yamoshi didn't seem like the guy who was out of control and went full on Oozaru, self-destructing either. Then, there are other characters from the past like Giblet, Shallot, Cumber, etc. who were also ancient Saiyans. We all wanted the real history of the Saiyans, but instead got the Broly movie which isn't a history of much except Planet Vegeta.

2. Who is Zalama and where is he?
We are told that Zalama created the Super Dragon Balls in the 41st Year of the Divine Calendar. That's gotta predate a lot of things. Then we were told that the pieces of these Super Dragon Balls, ended up creating the Namekian ones. The Super Dragon Balls can seemingly grant any wish without limitations. Though, one of the rules is that the Dragon cannot grant a wish that exceeds the power of its creator. Does that mean Zalama is more powerful than Zeno? If that's the case, why didn't Zamasu simply wish to switch bodies with Zeno directly? Also, the Super Dragon Balls are active, which means the creator has to be alive. However, in the Tournament of Power, every universe except for 12, 1, 5, and 8 participated. Does that mean Zalama lives there or does he exist outside of the 12 universes in a different dimension?

3. Where are the Makaioshin?
We've been introduced to Makaioshin long before DBS and it's been one of the biggest mysteries. We thought many times that the next villain would be a Makaioshin, but so far there's been no debut. There are theories that Mechikabura from SDBH is a Makaioshin, but that's not part of the main story.

4. Who killed Jiren's master?
We were told that a demon killed Jiren's parents and master, Gichin. Those killed by demons don't go to the afterlife. This was Jiren's wish to resurrect his master. Does each universe have its own demon realm? If so, is this a demon exclusive to Universe 11? The original map of the cosmos shows that the Demon Realm is located at the bottom tip of the universe like an upside-down world. The same type of schematic is shown in the manga for Universe 10 and other universes as well.

5. Where was Future Grand Priest?
If there was a Future Zeno, there must have been a Future Grand Priest. We know that Angels become inactive when the Hakaishin dies but what about the Future Grand Priest? Was he not aware that someone was killing off 12 Kaioshin one by one? How can someone not notice that?

6. What really happened that day which caused Zeno to erase 6 universes?
We know that there was a time when Beerus didn't wake up for a hide-and-seek game but Universe 7 didn't get erased, so that was a different event. We don't know what pissed of Zeno enough to erase 6 universes. What happened to the Angels of those 6 universes?

7. What did the Universe 12 time traveler change?
The first time traveler was a guy from Universe 12. He did change something to cause an appearance of the first time ring. What was that change and what's happening in that timeline right now?
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by Grimlock » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:08 am

shadowfox87 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:26 am
1. What really happened to Universe 7's Sadala?
We've wanted to know the answer to this question ever since Vegeta confirmed that the Saiyans were originally from Sadala, the planet before they moved to Planet Plant. It was a mystery for a long time where the Saiyans actually came from. They landed in a spaceship. Planet Sadala seemingly exploded due to a civil war between Saiyans. What caused this war and what were they fighting about? Was Yamoshi really the original super saiyan or was it somebody else? Vegeta said that the last Super Saiyan appeared 1000 years ago and the Daizenshuu 7 says 238 Years Before Age. Then again, in the manga, Cabba says the same line showing that even Universe 6's Sadala had the same legend of a Super Saiyan appearing every 1000 years. We saw an anime filler scene where the Original Super Saiyan self-destructed. Cabba goes on to say the same thing will happen to Kale if she doesn't control herself. Toriyama said in the interview that Yamoshi turned into a Super Saiyan for the first time, but not that he was the first Super Saiyan in history. Yamoshi didn't seem like the guy who was out of control and went full on Oozaru, self-destructing either. Then, there are other characters from the past like Giblet, Shallot, Cumber, etc. who were also ancient Saiyans. We all wanted the real history of the Saiyans, but instead got the Broly movie which isn't a history of much except Planet Vegeta.

3. Where are the Makaioshin?
We've been introduced to Makaioshin long before DBS and it's been one of the biggest mysteries. We thought many times that the next villain would be a Makaioshin, but so far there's been no debut.
Besides those ones:

• The origin of the Megaverse.

• Where did Zeno and angels come from?

• What the hell were a Tsufurujin and a Yadorat doing in the Universe 2 team in Universe Survival saga?

• Why don't Trunks, Marron and Goten age?

• Why the characters don't change outfit and when it finally happens they return to the old and ugly ones?

• Will video-games continue to be the best part of the modern franchise?

• How was it possible that in modern times we got a new series after 17 years that didn't contribute much and only wasted time doing tournaments and just one saga with a story?

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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:10 am

shadowfox87 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:26 am
There's a difference between plot holes and biggest mysteries. Cell regenerating his head despite saying his core is located at his head would be a contradiction, but not a mystery. Cell's head was also seemingly shown vaporized by Gohan's first kamehameha so it's not a stretch to think that his core survived Goku's kamehameha and re-attached to the bottom half of his body.
Except Goku was staring right at Cell's body the entire time and did not see anything attach itself or any motion at all until it jumped up. Goku's sight into matters is questionable at times but I dont think his literally sight would fail to capture some weird, fleshy growth re-attach itself to Cell's body and begin regenerating the pre-existing biological matter. We also never see the clump physically move any sort of distance if it is even capable of doing so.
Because this plothole has never been explained some 20+ years and exactly what else Cell's anatomy takes after, its a mystery.
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:48 am

The biggest mystery I have so far is what exactly was that "thing" that Black created in the sky. Was that a time rift to the past, or perhaps the distant future? Was that a gateway to antoher realm or dimension of creation? Or was that the actual manifestation of the divine anger within him? The fact that even Black himself didn't know what the heck he just opened in the sky is truly frightening to say the least and is proof of the astonishing levels of power that he had unlocked.

Another mystery I have is what happens to the Zamasu of Cell timeline. So there are several Zamases. The Zamasu of our main timeline is erased by Beerus, then there is an alternate version of that Zamasu that becomes Black. Finally there is the Zamasu of Trunks' timeline that becomes immortal. But there should also be a Zamasu from Cell's timeline, the one where he killed Trunks and stole the time machine, so what happens to that Zamasu? Does he just complete his training and becomes Supreme Kai? With no Goku around to bother him, he won't go mad.

Also, and this is a minor thing, there is a special panel in the manga that shows Zamasu when he was still North Kai, and he had a pet with him, a winged pig. I wonder if that animal was put there because he was supposed to represent something or maybe I'm just overthinking it. But then I would have to wonder why that pig didn't follow Zamasu when he became apprentice and wasn't with him when he first appears in Super.
If that's the case, why didn't Zamasu simply wish to switch bodies with Zeno directly?
Same reason why he didn't switch body with Jiren or literally any other fighter stronger or around Goku's level. I mean, he could have just asked that omniscient dude "Who is the most powerful fighter in the universe?" and be done with it. Instead he wanted to get his revenge on Goku for what he did to him, and what better way to do it than using his face to commit genocide? Best way to taint someone's legacy, if you ask me. Zamasu is petty and sadistic, obviously taking Zeno's body (a person that he has never even met) and erasing all mortals in two seconds without even making them suffer wouldn't be satisfying for Zamasu. People tend not to think rationally when they are consumed by anger.
5. Where was Future Grand Priest?
If there was a Future Zeno, there must have been a Future Grand Priest. We know that Angels become inactive when the Hakaishin dies but what about the Future Grand Priest? Was he not aware that someone was killing off 12 Kaioshin one by one? How can someone not notice that?
In the manga it is explained that Zamasu and Black were very careful, so when they killed all the kais they made sure that Zeno wouldn't be aware of them. And since the Grand Priest is ALWAYS at Zeno's side, maybe he also didn't know what was happening. Afaik the Grand Priest isn't omniscient, he doesn't literally know everything that is happening, and Black and Zamasu were very careful not to attract their attention.
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by shadowfox87 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:37 pm

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Except Goku was staring right at Cell's body the entire time and did not see anything attach itself or any motion at all until it jumped up. Goku's sight into matters is questionable at times but I dont think his literally sight would fail to capture some weird, fleshy growth re-attach itself to Cell's body and begin regenerating the pre-existing biological matter. We also never see the clump physically move any sort of distance if it is even capable of doing so.
Because this plothole has never been explained some 20+ years and exactly what else Cell's anatomy takes after, its a mystery.
Uhh, a single cell is quite small. The smallest object that the human naked eye can see is about 0.1 mm. A grain of salt is about 0.5 mm. A clump of cells would be 500 um. Goku is staring at the lower half of Cell's body and feels no ki until later. Then the body moves and jumps up. All of this stems from the Namekian genes. Piccolo stated himself he can regenerate anything as long as his head is intact. That's why when Trunks accidentally dropped his statue, he was able to still regenerate. However, Cell has Freeza's genes too which allow him to kind of survive even after being blown into smaller bits and pieces. There a lot of plot holes on the wikia that aren't even plot holes. People say a lot of things. There's no official explanation yea, but it's not impossible to reason out.
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Same reason why he didn't switch body with Jiren or literally any other fighter stronger or around Goku's level. I mean, he could have just asked that omniscient dude "Who is the most powerful fighter in the universe?" and be done with it. Instead he wanted to get his revenge on Goku for what he did to him, and what better way to do it than using his face to commit genocide? Best way to taint someone's legacy, if you ask me. Zamasu is petty and sadistic, obviously taking Zeno's body (a person that he has never even met) and erasing all mortals in two seconds without even making them suffer wouldn't be satisfying for Zamasu. People tend not to think rationally when they are consumed by anger.
You're mistaken. There was no revenge at all since he never met Goku in the original timeline. They never sparred and Zamasu never lost. The reason Goku met Zamasu in the first place is because Trunks came back in time which caused Beerus and Whis to investigate and visit Universe 10. This never happened in the original timeline where Trunks never came back. In the original timeline, Zamasu found out about Goku and the Super Dragon Balls from watching GodTube. This then caused him to seek out Zuno and find more information and then switch bodies with Goku. Toyotaro even made a drawing as a 'what if' where Zamasu switched with Monaka instead since Monaka technically won the tournament. Black then killed Gowasu and used the time ring to find a world where Beerus is dead - i.e. Future Trunks timeline. Not having knowledge of the strongest mortal - Jiren, is fine, but Zamasu must have had knowledge about Zeno. Zamasu hated mortals yet he switched bodies with a mortal to enact the Zero Mortals Plan, it was one of the biggest contradictions and even Vegito made fun of him for that. Rather, it's more rational to believe that Zamasu didn't want to take a risk and chose Goku's body because of his Saiyan physiology and zenkai abilities.
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In the manga it is explained that Zamasu and Black were very careful, so when they killed all the kais they made sure that Zeno wouldn't be aware of them. And since the Grand Priest is ALWAYS at Zeno's side, maybe he also didn't know what was happening. Afaik the Grand Priest isn't omniscient, he doesn't literally know everything that is happening, and Black and Zamasu were very careful not to attract their attention.
If a Kaioshin dies, the Hakaishin dies, and the respective Angel becomes inactive. How the hell would the Future Grand Priest not know that one of his Angels suddenly became inactive? Not buying it. Remember that just the Universe 6 tournament was enough to catch Zeno's eye. Kaioshin have the god's eye which allow them to see anything anywhere in the universe. This is how the Old Kaioshin can be a pervert and peek at girls on a different planet in any galaxy. When a planet gets destroyed, a Kaioshin senses it. Angels aren't omniscient but it's just funny to me how 12 Angels being inactive is not cause for an alarm. The only explanation is that the Future Grand Priest was also inactive or was not allowed to interfere.
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:21 am

You're mistaken. There was no revenge at all since he never met Goku in the original timeline.
No, Goku Black himself states at the beginning of episode 61 that he was the Zamasu who was defeated in combat by Goku and they even show flashback to that scene, so he still met him just under different circumstances. And again in episode 63 he expresses anger at his past self for losing to a mere mortal. The idea that he began hating Goku because he watched him on Godtube is ONLY in the manga. He also watches him on Godtube in the anime but that happens after they've already fought.
If a Kaioshin dies, the Hakaishin dies, and the respective Angel becomes inactive. How the hell would the Future Grand Priest not know that one of his Angels suddenly became inactive? Not buying it. Remember that just the Universe 6 tournament was enough to catch Zeno's eye. Kaioshin have the god's eye which allow them to see anything anywhere in the universe. This is how the Old Kaioshin can be a pervert and peek at girls on a different planet in any galaxy. When a planet gets destroyed, a Kaioshin senses it. Angels aren't omniscient but it's just funny to me how 12 Angels being inactive is not cause for an alarm. The only explanation is that the Future Grand Priest was also inactive or was not allowed to interfere.
Point taken. Maybe he wasn't allowed to act, he is like Zeno's caretaker, it's not like he can do whatever he wants, and we already know from the manga that Zeno had no idea of what Zamasu was doing.
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by shadowfox87 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:02 pm

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No, Goku Black himself states at the beginning of episode 61 that he was the Zamasu who was defeated in combat by Goku and they even show flashback to that scene, so he still met him just under different circumstances. And again in episode 63 he expresses anger at his past self for losing to a mere mortal. The idea that he began hating Goku because he watched him on Godtube is ONLY in the manga. He also watches him on Godtube in the anime but that happens after they've already fought.
Without considering the manga, you get a plot hole i.e. a paradox. The original Zamasu can't have met Goku without Trunks going back in time. Trunks won't go back in time without Black invading his timeline. This was a paradox in the anime for a long time until the manga explained it. A new timeline is created when there's a paradox. There's absolutely no reason for Goku to travel to Universe 10 and spar with Zamasu for no reason without Trunks' interference. If you want a plot hole, then be my guest. The anime is filled with them lol. The official Toei timeline also recognizes two different main timelines and logically, due to the number of timelines. Source: http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/special/07.html (The dark blue is the original main timeline in which Zamasu is alive and turns into Black.)
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:19 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:02 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:21 am
No, Goku Black himself states at the beginning of episode 61 that he was the Zamasu who was defeated in combat by Goku and they even show flashback to that scene, so he still met him just under different circumstances. And again in episode 63 he expresses anger at his past self for losing to a mere mortal. The idea that he began hating Goku because he watched him on Godtube is ONLY in the manga. He also watches him on Godtube in the anime but that happens after they've already fought.
Without considering the manga, you get a plot hole i.e. a paradox. The original Zamasu can't have met Goku without Trunks going back in time. Trunks won't go back in time without Black invading his timeline. This was a paradox in the anime for a long time until the manga explained it. A new timeline is created when there's a paradox. There's absolutely no reason for Goku to travel to Universe 10 and spar with Zamasu for no reason without Trunks' interference. If you want a plot hole, then be my guest. The anime is filled with them lol. The official Toei timeline also recognizes two different main timelines and logically, due to the number of timelines. Source: http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/special/07.html (The dark blue is the original main timeline in which Zamasu is alive and turns into Black.)
Yes, I will stick to the anime continuity, thank you very much.

But thank you for giving me another mystery: Why did that timeline's Goku fight the Zamasu that would become Black?

And what you are saying doesn't matter anyway. Even just seeing Goku on Godtube would be a very good motivation for Zamasu's actions, because someone who believes mortals are inferior would be personally offended and seek revenge if he saw a mortal stealing divine power for his own.
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by shadowfox87 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:34 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote:
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And what you are saying doesn't matter anyway. Even just seeing Goku on Godtube would be a very good motivation for Zamasu's actions, because someone who believes mortals are inferior would be personally offended and seek revenge if he saw a mortal stealing divine power for his own.
It absolutely matters. That's exactly what I'm saying - the GodTube is already motivation enough for Zamasu's actions. You have a logical explanation staring at you that doesn't contradict anything except some mistakes by certain writers of an anime episode. Each episode has different writers that determine what the dialogue is. That is the correct explanation. The anime is filled with several plot holes if you do not consider the manga to patch them up. At least now though, the anime will follow the manga (thankfully).
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Re: What Are The Biggest Mysteries Of DB?

Post by Gligarman » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:21 pm

If we completely ignore that absurd filler arc where Goku and Chichi visited the after life to get the Bansho Fan, I wanna know if Goku ever got to see Grandpa Gohan again after Goku died in the Cell fight. I think it'd be a pretty powerful scene now that Goku knows he's the one that killed him. Their reunion in the manga during the Uranai Baba tournament remains my favorite moment in the whole series and I've always wanted to see Toriyama's take on a second reunion between them.

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