Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:30 am

p-hyvo wrote:
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An angel would destroy everyone with ease.

It would look like that scene from Tree of Might where Goku beats up all of Turles' men at the same time.

No chance for the mortals against an angel.
Without making Beerus and Whis stronger again Gogeta should be a threat to an Angel.
Gogeta in wich form?
Gogeta in blue evolution Kaioken x20. Gogeta Blue while not a big advantage, held an advantage over someone Goku thinks might be as strong as Beerus. Supereme Kai who is a better authority thought Vegito Blue was near Beerus. UI Goku and Jiren are near if not stronger than Beerus. Gogeta even if he is weaker I don't think he's 400x weaker than UI Goku and Jiren.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 am

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Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.

Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.

Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).

So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.
This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Koitsukai » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 am
Cold Skin wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:39 pm
Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.

Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.

Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).

So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.
This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.
Even if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.

Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 am

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 am
miguelnuva1 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 am
Cold Skin wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:39 pm
Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.

Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.

Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).

So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.
This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.
Even if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.

Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
Goku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Soldierofficial » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 am
Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 am
miguelnuva1 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 am


This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.
Even if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.

Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
Goku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.
Goku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.
What I consider canon

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by p-hyvo » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:11 am

Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 am
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 am
Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 am


Even if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.

Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
Goku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.
Goku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.
In the anime?where?
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Soldierofficial » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:09 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:11 am
Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 am
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 am


Goku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.
Goku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.
In the anime?where?
Goku saw Beerus fight Champa twice in the anime.
What I consider canon

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:03 pm

Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:09 pm
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:11 am
Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 am


Goku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.
In the anime?where?
Goku saw Beerus fight Champa twice in the anime.
You mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?
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Post by Soldierofficial » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:03 pm
Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:09 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:11 am


In the anime?where?
Goku saw Beerus fight Champa twice in the anime.
You mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?
Yeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.
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Post by Zephyr » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:54 pm

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Say Whis was under orders from Daishinkan to test the full might of his universe's best fighters by threatening to destroy it, could all of the strongest, smartest, and most experienced fighters of Earth as well as Broly & Freeza be able to stop Whis?
What would be funnier?

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pm

Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:03 pm
Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:09 pm


Goku saw Beerus fight Champa twice in the anime.
You mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?
Yeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.
No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.
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Post by theherodjl » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:14 pm

Zephyr wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:54 pm
theherodjl wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:58 pm
Say Whis was under orders from Daishinkan to test the full might of his universe's best fighters by threatening to destroy it, could all of the strongest, smartest, and most experienced fighters of Earth as well as Broly & Freeza be able to stop Whis?
What would be funnier?
A fly marrying a bumblebee?
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:14 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 am
Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 am
miguelnuva1 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 am


This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.
Even if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.

Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
Goku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.
Supreme Kai said Vegito was almost as strong as Beerus in the Black arc in the manga. low balling it Gogeta, UI Goku and Jiren should be at Full power Beerus level or beyond.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Zephyr » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:48 am

theherodjl wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:14 pm
Zephyr wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:54 pm
theherodjl wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:58 pm
Say Whis was under orders from Daishinkan to test the full might of his universe's best fighters by threatening to destroy it, could all of the strongest, smartest, and most experienced fighters of Earth as well as Broly & Freeza be able to stop Whis?
What would be funnier?
A fly marrying a bumblebee?
No, I mean, would Whis winning or losing be funnier?

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Soldierofficial » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:01 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pm
Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:03 pm


You mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?
Yeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.
No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.
I don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:05 pm

Soldierofficial wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:01 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pm
Soldierofficial wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pm


Yeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.
No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.
I don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.
He showed more pain and injury than he did either of the times he fought Champa.
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Post by Soldierofficial » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:06 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:05 pm
Soldierofficial wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:01 pm
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No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.
I don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.
He showed more pain and injury than he did either of the times he fought Champa.
When? I don't remember Beerus bleeding in his fight with Goku.
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Post by Koitsukai » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:24 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:05 pm
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:01 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pm


No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.
I don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.
He showed more pain and injury than he did either of the times he fought Champa.
Really? I don't agree

Here's Beerus vs Goku, I provided the exact moment where the fight concludes, Beerus is unscathered.

https://youtu.be/jWYLTUtwJUg?t=411

Here's the end part of Beerus vs Champa, they are both nosebleeding and with one eye shut, clearly injured.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ComposedDecim ... ricted.gif

The manga does have Beerus and Champa uninjured during their fight before U6 Tournament, but it has also Beerus uninjured after fighting SSGod.

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Post by theherodjl » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:42 pm

Zephyr wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:48 am
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:14 pm
Zephyr wrote:
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What would be funnier?
A fly marrying a bumblebee?
No, I mean, would Whis winning or losing be funnier?
Whis losing of course. I could actually see Whis losing via a classic DB gag scene, he unwittingly stepped in animal poop despite having mastered Ultra Instinct so there does seem to be at least a few exceptions to the technique's awareness.
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Kokonoe » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:08 am

We have never seen a serious Whis so that makes this hard to gauge. Though we're talking like millions or billions of people across this universe against one person? Like if they team up and concoct some plan involving magic or something they could very well. Like if Buu hits him with candy beam that's it. They could throw all their resources on making sure Whis gets hit with candy beam or devilmite beam.

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